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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:42 am    Post subject: News items re the 5 Dancing Israelis at 9/11 Reply to topic

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:31:05 +1000
From: "Peter Myers" <myers@cyberone.com.au>

Subject: News items re the 5 Dancing Israelis at 9/11

Jon Carlson's belittling of the Dancing Israelis shows how this aspect
of 9/11 has been swept under the carpet. In reply, I have taken the
trouble to chase up the best information on it, and put it all in one
place - here - with URLs for the important items. The key item is #3,
Michael Rivero, of What Really Happened. Footnotes in that article are
links, which don't appear in your word processor. I have chased up &
inserted the main ones, and included the text of three important ones,
footnotes 20, 21 & 24.

On the Internet, item #1 loads in your browser, then is over-written by
a message The Page Cannot Be Found. But there's a trick way to beat
censorship and get the text - see item #1. You can find images in the
same way.

This material is worth forwarding, saving and printing.

(1) Urban Moving Systems and the Zoom Copter Boys
(3) THE FIVE ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON 9-11, by Michael Rivero (of What
Really Happened)
(4) footnote 24: Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW, by Carol A. Valentine
(5) Footnote 20: Americans Probing Reports of Israeli Espionage
(6) Footnote 21: (ABC News) Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
(7) (The Times) FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid ISRAELI

(1) Urban Moving Systems and the Zoom Copter Boys


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PLYMOUTH -- Two men whom police described as Middle Eastern were
detained in the township by federal imigration authorities after being
found with detailed footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Plymouth
Police encountered the men after an officer responded to Pizzeria Uno
the 1000 block of West Ridge Pike at 2:40 p.m. Thursday for a report of
illegal dumping, according to reports. A manager there advised the
police officer that a tractor-trailer was observed backed up to the
dumpster at the rear of the restaurant. The manager noticed a freshly
dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the dumpster, according to police.
The manager confronted the vehicle's operator, a Middle Eastern man,
police said. The man, who later identified himself as Moshe Elmakias,
30, denied that he did anything and fled the scene, heading west on
Ridge Pike, according to police.

The manager was able to provide township police with the Florida
registration number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted
on the side of the vehicle read "Moving Systems Incorporated" and
included a phone number, police said.

{This page contains the above two paragraphs, then copies the following
Really Happened}


What Really Happened http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/sears.html

Could the key to understanding the World Trade Center tragedy be found
in detained in our country? This reporter believes that it is, and that
the vast majority of Americans are not being told the truth. A story in
Philadelphia's The Mercury may hold the answer.

"2 found with video of Sears Tower

Michelle Mowad, Special to The Mercury October 17, 2001

PLYMOUTH -- Two men whom police described as Middle Eastern were
detained in the township by federal imigration authorities after being
found with detailed footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Plymouth
Police encountered the men after an officer responded to Pizzeria Uno
the 1000 block of West Ridge Pike at 2:40 p.m. Thursday for a report of
illegal dumping, according to reports. A manager there advised the
police officer that a tractor-trailer was observed backed up to the
dumpster at the rear of the restaurant. The manager noticed a freshly
dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the dumpster, according to police.

The manager confronted the vehicle's operator, a Middle Eastern man,
police said. The man, who later identified himself as Moshe Elmakias,
30, denied that he did anything and fled the scene, heading west on
Ridge Pike, according to police.

The manager was able to provide township police with the Florida
registration number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted
on the side of the vehicle read "Moving Systems Incorporated" and
included a phone number, police said.

The area was searched by township police, and the vehicle was spotted
parked on the curb in front of John Kennedy ford on Ridge Pike, Just
west of Industrial Way.

An officer proceeded to make contatct with the occupants of the truck
knocking on the cab, according to reports. A Middle Eastern man, later
identified as Ron Katar, 23, exited the sleeper area of the cab and
that the operator was across the street as he pointed toward the Don
Rosen porsche dealer, reports said.

Elmakias and a white female, Ayelet Reisler, 23, were approaching the
vehicle from the dealership, but the female then began walking in a
different direction, acting as if she were not with Elmakias, according
to reports.

Reisler was detained and checked for identification. She had a german
passport in her name and medication in a different name, police said.
Plymouth Police Sgt. Thomas Longo was notified and responded to the

Elmakias allegedly admitted to being behind Pizzeria Uno, although he
said that he did not dump furniture, he was only turning around.
Elmakias said that his destination was New York and that he was also
coming from New York. He said he was in Plymouth because he was
to make a pickup from a male in the morning and pointed toward the
Storage USA facility on Belvoir Road and West Ridge Pike, police said.
Elmakias could not, however, provide a name or telephone number of the
customer. Township police dispatched a request for a Motor Carrier
Safety Assistance Program Inspector.

Officer Gerald Schwartz of the Whitpain Police Department responded.
Schwartz discovered through his investigation that the operator's log
had been falsified and put the truck out of service due to violations,
police said. In addition, the vehicle reportedly had numerous equipment
violations that rendered the truck unsafe.

Inspection of the tractor-trailer's contents revealed a load
three-quarters full containing household items, including furniture and
boxes. Among the items in the truck was a Sony video camera.

Plymouth Police Officer David McCann reviewed the tape found inside the
camera. The tape had video footage of Chicago with zoomed-in shots of
the Sears Tower, according to police.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation was notified of the incident and
three subjects were transported to the Plymouth Police station. The
subjects were then processed through the National Crime Information
center and placed into detention, according to the report.

FBI Agents James Sweeney and Richard Tofani arrived at the station and
proceeded to investigate both the subjects and their belongings with
assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services. Elmakias and
Katar were eventually detained by INS and transported to a federal
facility, said police. Reisler was released.

All evidence collected by Plymouth and Whitpain officers was
to federal facilities with the exeption of a VCR. Special Agent Linda
Vizi, as spokeswoman for the Philadelphia and FBI, could not be
contacted for comment on further investigations."

The question of the nationality of the detained Middle Eastern men can
be found in other newspapers. On Saturday, September 15th, The Record
New Jersey ran an article by Adam Lisberg. An excerpt follows:

"Closer to New York, FBI agents and Bergen County Sheriff's Department
crime scene technicians spent three hours Thursday night searching the
Weehawken headquarters of Urban Moving Systems at 3W 18th St.

Investigators first became interested in the business after witnesses
reported Tuesday that three men seemed to celebrate the World Trade
Center explosions in Liberty State Park, then drove away in a company
van. 'To the best of my knowledge, my client Urban Moving Systems and
Dominik Suter are not targets,' said attorney Jay Hamill of Jersey
'This is an informational situation. We're cooperating completely and
have objected to nothing they've requested.'

Agents took pictures inside the company's office Thursday night and
seized 13 computer hard drives. They also showed a keen interest in the
roof, which had a very clear view of the World Trade Center until
Tuesday. A half-dozen agents searched the roof with flashlights and
appeared particularly interested in the sight lines from the roof
towared downtown Manhattan.

East Rutherford police stopped an Urban Moving Systems van on Route 3
Tuesday and detained five men inside, at least some of them company
employees. The occupants said they were all Israelis. They were being
detained because they are in violation of immigration regulations, and
all have expressed a desire to leave the country on their own,
to an Immigration and Naturalization Service spokesman. An employee of
Urban Moving Systems, who would not give his name, said the majority of
his co-workers are Israelis and were joking on the day of the attacks.

'I was in tears,' the man said. 'These guys were joking and that
bothered me. These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go

The identities and nationalities of the employees were confirmed by the
Jerusalem Post. What authorities have not elaborated on is the
connection between the confiscated Sears Tower video that was found in
Pennsylvania and the antics of Urban Moving System's employees.
Additionally, the INS has recently signed papers that will allow the
detained Israeli's to be deported without having to stand trial for
possible involvement in the events of September 11th. Was the fourth
plane headed toward the Sears Tower before it made an abrupt turn over
Ohio? This reporter is prepared to accept the possibility.

This Article may be re-printed without the author's permission, due to
reasons of national security.

(3) THE FIVE ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON 9-11, by Michael Rivero (of What
Really Happened)


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On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli
relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good,
but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...

...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves
on 9-11. Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents
claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the
disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (1)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said
witness. (2)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the
World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph
themselves in front of the wreckage. (3)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the
initial impact (4). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a
roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating
with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (5)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew
what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (6)

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close
down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the
9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside
of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript
NBC News:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police. Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or
guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the
guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what? Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (7)

(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that
these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians
usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")

Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout"
for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from
Jersey. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just
before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were
apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these
terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

According to ABC's 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering
Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan
Kurzberg, told the officers:

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our
problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (8)

The police and FBI field agents really became suspicious when they
maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same
items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a
and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb
sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they
had smelled explosives. (9)

The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan
Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins
in an apparently celebratory gesture. (10)

The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was
stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge. Of Course, the
Post did not reveal the true ethnicity of the suspects. Here's what the
Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

"American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George
Washington Bridge"


"The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to
bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main
crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported." (11)

TCM Breaking News reported that the van was laden down with tonnes of
explosives (12).
note: Is it pure coincidence that 'al Qaeda' use huge truck bombs as a
hallmark of their terror campaign?)

What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (13), the New York Post
(14), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (15) all clearly and
unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted
a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel.

But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (16), and
Yediot America, (17) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously,
that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the
George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln

It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved,
one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the
conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would
also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating
"middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It
also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5
Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but
later increased the total to five.

Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant
to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New
Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge,
then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick
them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from
the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the
had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery
caller". A classic misdirection play.

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis
worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An
American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New
Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were
joking about the attacks.

{quote} The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in
tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were
like, "Now America knows what we go through." (18) {endquote}

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner,
Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel.
was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's
customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities
(19). http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm

It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact
Mossad agents (20).
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html {footnote 20 is
included below} They were held in custody for 71 days before being
quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary
confinement for 40 days.(21)
{footnote 21 is included below}

{quote} [S]everal of the detainees discussed their experience in
on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the
morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a
country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the
event." (22) {endquote}
{same as footnote 21}

How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing
Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario:

1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the
successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off
in history.

2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher
to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland

3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the
Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead,
where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban
Moving accomplices.

4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL
bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move
inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their
own capture and 40 day torture.

5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over
1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York
area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the
government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just
immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.

6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are
able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis

The US government immediately attributed Osama bin Laden to the 9/11
attacks even though he had no previous record of doing anything on this
scale. Immediately after the Flight 77 hit WTC 1 CIA Director George
Tenet said "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it."
(23) http://abcnews.go.com/onair/DailyNews/sept11_moments_1.html

The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli
connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks, the media was
with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads,
"experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American
public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable.

We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he
hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and
they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still
bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking
her tits and ass all over the place!

But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested
Zionists orchestrated the 9-11 attacks. The BBC published bin Laden's
statement of denial in which he said:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States
did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a
government within the United States. The United States should try to
trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people
want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam
Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried
the attacks.

[...] The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose
priority is Israel, not the United States." (24)
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html {footnote 24 is included

You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?

To date, the only shred of "evidence" to be uncovered against Bin Laden
was a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just
to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient (and how
fake!). http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

White House reneges on proof of bin Laden's guilt

{quote} The administration's lame attempt to justify its about-face
indicates three things: first, it has no serious evidence linking bin
Laden directly to the September 11 atrocities; second, it is in
considerable internal disarray; and third, it feels it can lie without
limit and get away with it because it has the services of a thoroughly
reactionary and controlled media. {endquote}

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al
"terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of
evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that the Zionist
Mafia has been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against

One last thing. At 09:40 on 9/11 Abu Dhabi television reported that the
Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsiblity
for the attacks (25).
http://www.rte.ie/news/features/oneyearon/timeline.html This claim was
immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had
always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside
the occupied territories." (26)

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people
(27) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for
the attacks?

One thing is for sure - if the the Israelis had successfully framed the
Palestinians for the 9/11 attacks then Ariel Sharon and his government
would have had the perfect excuse to expel the Palestinian population
from the West Bank and Gaza Strip because the citizens there would have
been labelled as terrorists.

{quote} Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfill what the
goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a
century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively
Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in
the racist slogan, "A land without people for a people without a land."
(28) {endquote} http://www.workers.org/ww/2003/palestine0109.php

See also:

The FBI shut down of Arab Muslim web sites in the days leading up to
9/11 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fbishut.html

More suspicious Israeli 'Movers' detained with detailed video of Sears
Tower http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/sears2.html"

FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid ISRAELI Passports Escape
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israelswithnukes.html {included

Hundreds of Mossad agents caught running wild in America!

Zionist Circles Benefit From WTC Collapse

Enter Emmanuel Goldstein

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell
you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified
-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli
spy ring.

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" Motto of the Mossad

(4) footnote 24: Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW, by Carol A. Valentine



by Carol A. Valentine Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-Action.com Copyright, October, 2001 May be
reproduced for non-commercial purposes.

October 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a
Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001.
In this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks
in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a
lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the
of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act.
Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and
other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a

"It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on
women, children and common people . . . " Everyone familiar with the
content of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum


knows bin Laden is telling the truth.

News of this Ummat interview was suppressed in the US. Between the time
of its publication and October 7, the US apparently spent its time
creating a fake "bin Laden" interview, using either a stand-in or
morphing. Or was the fraud produced by the Brits, as a favor to the
No, the Taliban Home Video was a ham-fisted effort. The Brits usually
have more subtlety.

You can read about the US fraud, "The Taliban Home Video," at


Attached to "The Taliban Home Video" you will find a copy of a March,
1977 CNN interview with bin Laden, conducted by Peter Arnett. Compare
the content and the style of bin Laden's remarks in the 1977 CNN
interview with the content and style of bin Laden's remarks in the
September 28, 2001 Ummat interview. Yes, it is the same man, all
right. It appears to me that the Ummat interview is authentic.

Here is a copy of the Ummat interview, which you can find at this URL:


I am grateful to InfoTimes <infotimes@rcn.com> for passing this
information along to me. ===

Usama bin Laden Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11 Attacks

KABUL, Afghanistan (Ummat): Prominent Arab mojahed (freedom fighter)
Usama bin Laden or the Al-Qaida group has nothing to do with the 11
September attacks on the Bush Administration, according to an Usama
Laden interview with Ummat, the Karachi-based Pakistani daily
newspaper. In his interview, Usama bin Laden pointed out that the
Israeli regime is behind the 9-11 attacks. He expressed gratitude and
support for Pakistan, urging the Pakistani people to continue their
jehad against dictators, tyrants, traitors, crooks, criminals,
dictatorships and tyrannies. Following is the text of Usama Bin
interview conducted by a "special correspondent" and published in the
daily Ummat on Friday, 28 September 2001. [The place and date of the
interview was not given by Ummat.]

Daily UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New
York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are
involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the
most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole
universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole
humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (saw) for
our guidance. I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which
gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people,
particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan
refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator
General Pervez Musharraf).

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks
in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a
lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the
of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act.
Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and
other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a
battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every
maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths,
particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine
for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the
United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim
countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had
earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia?
Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the
United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of
the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti Islamic power and
it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the
Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or
intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to
a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the
slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the
prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or
consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone
to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are
either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We
have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there
is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that
will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most
of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones,
which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself
considers them as its enemies.

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China,
Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq,
Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of
September are not the friends of the American people. I have already
said that we are against the American system, not against its people,
whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.
According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what
the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not
want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the
perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part
of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are
working for some other system; persons who want to make the present
century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so
their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive.
They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In
the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped
groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then
you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President
Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require
of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every
year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of
the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies
been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started
against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see,
Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will
this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which
need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will
the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I
will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are
contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to
eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their
will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department
are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get
millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug
baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same
way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they
cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold
it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there
exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That
secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.

Daily UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the
United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include
a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qaida declare a jehad against
these Islamic countries as well?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims;
to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does
Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want? Al-Qaida was set up to
wage a jehad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught
of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jehad is the
undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words
of Islam (There is only one God in the entire universe and Muhammad is
the last Prophet of God), prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca and
alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jehad. Al-Qaida
wants to keep jehad alive and active and make it a part of the daily
life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are
not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an
Islamic country as jehad. We are in favour of armed jehad only against
those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men,
and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is
the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others.
However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious
moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the
Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic
Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and
countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are
unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the
Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful Afghans] Muhammad
and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries
are beating with the call of jehad. We are grateful to them.

Daily UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and
have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S.is not too
difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring
down the American economy. Why is Al-Qaida not targeting their

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the
United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which
other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage
their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in
of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United
States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves
of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and
laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is
Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S.
is not uttering a single word.

Daily UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through
other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the
Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV

USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be
boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized.
Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in
producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic
boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency
attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth
scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has
been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern
requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and
philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public
opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is
of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its
pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained,
everything that you asked for can be done.

Daily UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been
made by the Western media. But no information is beingreceived from
your sources about the network of Al-Qaida and its jehadi successes.
Would you comment?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else.
It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many
other things to do. The struggle for jehad and the successes are for
the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our
real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste
your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things
which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from
your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless
which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and
gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They
become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is
the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is
mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and
helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United
States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do,
its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the
performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and

Daily UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qaida accounts
by the U.S.?

USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing
of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qaida or other jehad
groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qaida has more than three
alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally
independent from each other. This system is operating under the
patronage of those who love jehad. What to say of the United States,
even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path.
These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions.
Al-Qaida comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the
cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the
lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal
system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not
recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

Daily UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where
you can continue jehad?

USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong
jehadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to
Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is
not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God,
constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the
question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jehad. Thanks to
God, those waging a jehad can walk today with their heads raised.
was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such
even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates
loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah
with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jehad, a
man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is
the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an
eternal life.

Daily UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on
Afghanistan attack?

USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of
Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood
in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic
brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit
of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union
and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the
Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing
by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two
countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of
days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult
comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us
a place of worship. We are the people of jehad and fighting for the
defense of Pakistan is the best of all jehads to us. It does not
for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the
spirit of jehad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani

- Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi,
Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7. - Source: BBC
Monitoring Service. - Source:

Carol A. Valentine President, Public Action, Inc. Copyright, October,
2001. May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.

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(5) Footnote 20: Americans Probing Reports of Israeli Espionage


MARCH 15, 2002

Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth

Americans Probing Reports of Israeli Espionage


Despite angry denials by Israel and its American supporters, reports
that Israel was conducting spying activities in the United States may
have a grain of truth, the Forward has learned.

However, far from pointing to Israeli spying against U.S. government
military facilities, as reported in Europe last week, the incidents in
question appear to represent a case of Israelis in the United States
spying on a common enemy, radical Islamic networks suspected of links
Middle East terrorism.

In particular, a group of five Israelis arrested in New Jersey shortly
after the September 11 attacks and held for more than two months was
subjected to an unusual number of polygraph tests and interrogated by a
series of government agencies including the FBI's counterintelligence
division, which by some reports remains convinced that Israel was
conducting an intelligence operation. The five Israelis worked for a
moving company with few discernable assets that closed up shop
immediately afterward and whose owner fled to Israel.

Other allegations involved Israelis claiming to be art students who had
backgrounds in signal interception and ordnance. (See related story,
Page 8.)

Sources emphasized that the release of all the Israelis under
investigation indicates that they were cleared of any suspicion that
they had prior knowledge of the September 11 attacks, as some
anti-Israel media outlets have suggested.

The resulting tensions between Washington and Jerusalem, sources told
the Forward, arose not because of the operations' targets but because
Israel reportedly violated a secret gentlemen's agreement between the
two countries under which espionage on each other's soil is to be
coordinated in advance.

Most experts and former officials interviewed for this article said
such so-called unilateral or uncoordinated Israeli monitoring of
Muslims in America would not be surprising.

In fact, they said, Israeli intelligence played a key role in helping
the Bush administration to crack down on Islamic charities suspected of
funneling money to terrorist groups, most notably the Richardson,
Texas-based Holy Land Foundation last December.

"I have no doubt Israel has an interest in spying on those groups,"
Peter Unsinger, an intelligence expert who teaches justice
administration at San Jose University. "The Israelis give us good
like on the Hamas charities."

According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official,
asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its
investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last
September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their
employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.

After their arrest, the men were held in detention for two-and-a-half
months and were deported at the end of November, officially for visa

However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that
at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the
former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the
investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.

"The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the
and operatives employed by it," he said. "The conclusion of the FBI was
that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because
they did not know anything about 9/11."

However, he added, the bureau was "very irritated because it was a case
of so-called unilateral espionage, meaning they didn't know about it."

Spokesmen for the FBI, the Justice Department and the Immigration and
Naturalization Service refused to discuss the case. Israeli officials
flatly dismissed the allegations as untrue.

However, the former American official said that after American
authorities confronted Jerusalem on the issue at the end of last year,
the Israeli government acknowledged the operation and apologized for
coordinating it with Washington.

The five men — Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and
Yaron Shmuel — were arrested eight hours after the attacks by the
County, N.J., police while driving in an Urban Moving Systems van. The
police acted on an FBI alert after the men allegedly were seen acting
strangely while watching the events from the roof of their warehouse
the roof of their van.

In addition to their strange behavior and their Middle Eastern looks,
the suspicions were compounded when a box cutter and $4,000 in cash
found in the van. Moreover, one man carried two passports and another
had fresh pictures of the men standing with the smoldering wreckage of
the World Trade Center in the background.

The Bergen County police immediately handed the suspects to the INS,
which turned them over to a joint police-FBI terrorism task force set
after September 11 to deal with all possible links with the attacks.

The five Israelis were detained in the high-security Metropolitan
Detention Center in Brooklyn in solitary confinement until mid-October.
On September 25, they all signed papers acknowledging violations of U

However, the former official said, this is just the official story.

In fact, he said, the nature of the investigation changed after the
names of two of the five Israelis showed up on a CIA-FBI database of
foreign intelligence operatives, he said. At that point, he said, the
bureau took control of the investigation and launched a Foreign
Counterintelligence Investigation, or FCI.

FBI investigations into possible links to the September 11 attacks are
usually carried by the bureau's counterterrorism division, not its
counterintelligence division.

"An FCI means not only that it was serious but also that it was handled
at a very high level and very tightly," the former official said. That
view was echoed by several former FBI officials interviewed.

Steven Gordon, an American lawyer hired by the families to help secure
their release, said he could not confirm which FBI division was in
charge of the investigation. However, he acknowledged that "there were
lot of people involved, including counterintelligence officials from

The men all underwent at least two polygraph tests each, the lawyer
added. He said one of the Israelis took the test seven times, a very
unusual total according to several polygraph experts interviewed by the

After the men were arrested, FBI agents searched the warehouse of Urban
Moving Systems in Weehawken, N.J., seizing computer hard drives and
documents. The warehouse was closed on September 14, said Ron George, a
spokesman for the New Jersey State Division of Consumer Affairs.

On December 7, a New Jersey judge ruled that the state could seize the
goods remaining inside the warehouse. The state also has a lawsuit
pending against Urban Moving Systems and its owner, Dominik Otto Suter,
an Israeli citizen.

The FBI questioned Mr. Suter once. However, he left the country
afterward and went back to Israel before further questioning. Mr. Suter
declined through his lawyer to be interviewed for this article.

Earlier this year, the New York State Department of Transportation
revoked Urban Moving System's license after discovering that the
company's midtown Manhattan base was only a mailing address.

After they returned to Israel at the end of November, the five men told
local media that they were kept in solitary confinement, beaten,
deprived of food and questioned while blindfolded and in their

Mr. Ellner, one of the five Israelis, said on two occasions in recent
weeks that the five men had decided not to grant any interviews right
now "because we went through a very difficult period and we are not
ready for this."

Their Israeli lawyer, Ram Horwitz, told the Forward he was still
for the results of the medical tests undertaken by the men in Israel to
make a decision on an eventual lawsuit in the United States for

Mr. Horwitz insisted the men were not intelligence officers.

Irit Stoffer, an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, said the
allegations were "completely untrue" and that there were "only visa

"The FBI investigated those cases because of 9/11," Ms. Stoffer said.

Charlene Eban, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Washington, and Don Nelson,
a Justice Department spokesman, said they had no knowledge of an
spying operation.

"If we found evidence of unauthorized intelligence operations, that
would be classified material," added Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the
FBI in New York.

One leading expert in American intelligence operations, Chip Berlet, a
senior analyst at the Boston-based Political Research Associates,
explained that there "is a backdoor agreement between allies that says
that if one of your spies gets caught and didn't do too much harm, he
goes home. It goes on all the time. The official reason is always a
violation." ==

(6) Footnote 21: (ABC News) Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?


The White Van Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

June 21 — Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center
attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey
homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation
into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World
Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a
neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in
lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught
her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van
in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking
a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade
Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the
expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They
didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license
plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was
also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban
Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service
road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer
pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in
the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and
handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion
about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was
found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers
when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

‘We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers
they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the
incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of
the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not
your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the
problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron
Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of
the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases,
ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI
believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli
intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched
Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing
boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also
questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client
answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to
interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban
Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big
hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still
connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for
sale and returned with his family to Israel.

‘A Scary Situation’

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees,
that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused
suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top
of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign
language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on
him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had
come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company,
and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in
Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working
the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an
immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS
that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of
them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them
were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

Plenty of Speculation

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case,
and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The
a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded
that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism
with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal
authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the
names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence
believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli
intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether
Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching
an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area,
particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against
the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical
fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson,
N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived
in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be
difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector
test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another
his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test
he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks
because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic
Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in
Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the
activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be
support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.

The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out
of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli
attorney, dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."

Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes
even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S.

"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the
United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never
raised this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."

No ‘Pre-Knowledge’

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within
the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S.
government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission
for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this
investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had
pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."

Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence
to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on
Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the
polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the
intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance
knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the
attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to
the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a
good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of
the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for
the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials
worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken
of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about
their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the
detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk
after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the
morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a
country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the

ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto
contributed to this report.

(7) (The Times) FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid ISRAELI


FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid ISRAELI Passports Escape By
Katty Kay The Times, London 11-2-1

WASHINGTON - With America on top security alert, the FBI was hunting
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FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid ISRAELI Passports Escape By
Katty Kay The Times, London 11-2-1

WASHINGTON - With America on top security alert, the FBI was hunting
yesterday for six men of Middle Eastern appearance carrying plans of a
nuclear power plant and the Trans-Alaska oil pipeline who were picked
by police in the Midwest over the weekend but then released.

The incident is thought to be connected with the latest FBI alert and
senior intelligence officials are furious that the men were set free
before they could be fully questioned.

The men were travelling in two groups of three in white saloon cars
they were pulled over by police officers in the Midwest, according to
the Knight Ridder News Service. Security officials have refused to
disclose further details.

The men were searched and questioned and the state officers discovered
detailed plans and photographs of a nuclear power in Florida,
along with box cutters-the weapons used in the September 11 attacks-
and other equipment.

The men, who appeared to be of Middle Eastern origin and held Israeli
passports, were then interviewed by immigration officials. When their
passports and visas were found to be in order the officers, who were
aware of the country's imminent security alert, let the men go without
first calling in the FBI to question them more thoroughly.

It is not clear why the men were pulled over in the first place nor why
intelligence officers were not given a chance to interview them. Agents
suspect that the men will by now have switched cars and tried to flee
the country, possibly to Canada.

Intelligence officials were especially concerned about the nuclear
details. America's nuclear facilities received special attention in the
latest FBI alert. The men were also carrying plans of the 800-mile
Trans-Alaska pipeline, which delivers 17 per cent of America's oil.

There are three nuclear facilities in Florida, which have now been
advised to step up security. One of the plants has called in local
police as an extra security precaution.

The news came as the US banned private flights near US nuclear
facilities for the next ten days, in connection with the warning of
another terrorist attack, and National Guard troops were deployed at
nuclear power plants in three southern states. The Nuclear Regulatory
Commission ordered the nation's 103 nuclear power plants to increase

At a time when police have unprecedented powers to arrest and detain
people who are merely suspected of having links to terrorist
the release of these six men has infuriated the FBI.

The incident suggests a dangerous lack of co-ordination between
different law enforcement bodies. Under America's new anti-terrorist
laws, police can hold someone almost indefinitely on charges of being a
"material witness" to terrorism. Canada announced that it had given the
US important intelligence about another possible imminent terrorist
attack. Canadian secret services intercepted telephone calls and
from al-Qaeda operatives in Canada that referred to a major event
place "down south" this week.

Law enforcement officials said that the US military intercepted
other calls leading up to the alert, which all used the same coded
phrases. The FBI received intelligence about the new threat on Monday.

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(1) Michael Rivero's review of Farenheit911
(2) Windows file find utility
(3) Sibel Edmonds, FBI translator; and Senate Intelligence Committee
(4) Corrupted Intelligence, by Ray McGovern
(5) Ancient European remains found in Qinghai

(1) Michael Rivero's review of Farenheit911

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:05:15 -0600 From: "Thomas R. Ascher"
<lifeforce@bvcolorado.com> From: Judith Nipps From: Nellie Babbs



{by Michael Rivero. It contains embedded links, but I have made them
explicit, enclosed in <..> - Peter M}

"FAHRENHEIT 9/11" documents that the American people have been lied to
in the push for war. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Saddam
was not a threat. Iraq had no link to 9-11. Iraq was not supporting Al
Qaeda. The government of Iraq under Saddam killed far fewer Iraqi
than the government of Iraq under George Bush. The Kurds were actually
gassed by Iran (and does the name "Waco" ring a bell?). The only
weapons found in Iraq are the tons of depleted uranium munitions
on the Iraqi people by the United States. And, far from being the
champion of human rights, the United States stands exposed as a willing
user of torture on prisoners who in many cases were innocent of any

That's the major message. We The People were lied to about, well, just
about everything. Including 9-11 itself. Bush sat there and read about
goats <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html> while the
towers fell. The video tape of "Osama's" confession
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html> turned out to be
fake. Osama himself turned out to be a fake, a CIA asset trained and
funded by the US to fight the USSR in Afghanistan
<http://proliberty.com/observer/20011005.htm>. Blair's dossier turned
out to be fake, plagiarized from a student thesis
The mobile biological weapons trailers turned out to be fake; actually
balloon inflators sold by the British to Iraq
<http://www.command-post.org/2_archives/007521.html>. And on and on and
on. Deception after deception after deception.

Everyone agrees on this major message. We've been lied to. We are the
victims of history's greatest and deadliest hoax; a hoax perpetrated to
ignite a war of conquest. Michael Moore's film does a great job of
confronting that deadly fact.

But, Michael Moore has himself either fallen for disinformation, or
simply not done his homework, and seems willing to accept without
question the official story of 9-11.

Now, it may be that Michael Moore just didn't care to get into 9-11
itself that deeply. Moore seems mostly focused on the aircraft allowed
to fly out of the United States in the days immediately after 9-11
the rest of the nation's aircraft were grounded. On these flights were
members of Osama bin Laden's family. The Bush's and bin Ladens go back
long way. Osama's brother was George's business partner in Abusto
and source of the seed money to start the company. It is reportedly
because of this connection that Osama was recruited to play holy
for the CIA in Afghanistan against the USSR. So there is no question
that those flights did occur, and that Osama's family members were
the passengers.

At issue is whether this fact of the aircraft flights points the finger
of blame for 9-11 at Saudi Arabia. After first being told that
Afghanistan was to blame for 9-11, then Iraq was to blame for 9-11, one
should take any claims of any Arab country being identified as the
perpetrator of 9-11 with a huge heaping of salt. Michael Moore, who
clearly recognized the claims about Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction,
the supposed link from Saddam to Al Qaeda and to 9-11 as lies, shows a
dangerous naiveté in his willingness accept the official story of 9-11
without question.

So, let's take a look at the idea of Saudi Arabia as the perpetrator of
9-11. Why would they do it? What would they gain? Immediately after the
attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked
the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations
<http://www.mideastjournal.com/israelexploitswtc.html>. His quick reply
was: "It's very good……. Well, it's not good, but it will generate
immediate sympathy (for Israel)". The months since 9-11 have borne that
out. US support for Israel's agenda grew stronger as Israel committed
more atrocities against the Palestinians. More money flowed from the US
to Israel. World opinion, which had been growing against Israel's
treatment of the Palestinians, temporarily abated. World hostility
towards Arabs in general grew. Forgotten was the fact that Israel was
actually in defiance of more UN Resolutions than Saddam had ever been
<http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html>. And, it was
assumed at the start of the war that direct access to Iraq's oil would
reduce American demand for Saudi oil, and likely force prices down as
Iraq's oil came to market. So, where was the motive? Do you really
Saudi Arabia would commit an act that would strengthen US-Israeli ties?
Do you really think Saudi Arabia would commit an act that would
their own oil revenues? Do you really think Saudi Arabia would commit
act that would anger the world against Arabs? Do you really think Saudi
Arabia would commit an act that could result in their almost one
trillion dollars invested in the United States to be legally frozen and
confiscated? Me neither. If Saudi Arabia wanted to hurt the United
States, all they would have to do is withdraw their investment cash all
at once. The move would be perfectly legal, and cause greater economic
damage than the 9-11 attacks.

Here are some facts that for some reason did not make it into the final
cut of "Fahrenheit 9/11"

On 9-11, five men were arrested for suspicious behavior, cheering and
laughing while the WTC collapsed
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html>. In the van
found cash, multiple passports, and maps with the World Trade Center
highlighted. Bomb-sniffing dogs indicated explosives residue were
present in the truck. The arrested men were Israelis, later identified
by Pacific Radio as agents of the Israeli intelligence service, the
Mossad. According to Carl Cameron's FOX News story on the Israeli spy
ring, the US Government classified evidence that linked the arrested
Israeli spies to 9-11<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html>.
The Mossad agents were using a moving company, Urban Moving Systems,
a cover. The owner of the company, Dominic Suter, abandoned his
after 9-11 and fled to Israel on 9-14.

The 9-11 scene was littered with passports using Saudi names, passports
which the FBI admitted just ten days later were high-quality fakes
identities stolen from Arab men
<http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/>. We don't know who was
on those planes, only who we were supposed to THINK were on those
planes. Why would Saudi Arabia commit 9-11 and use phony passports
pointing back to themselves? If Saudi Arabia had done 9-11, it is safe
to assume the phony passports would have likely pointed to Israel. FBI
Director Robert Mueller has admitted in public that there is actually
evidence that proves the named 9-11 hijackers were actually on the

The warnings of the attack sent to Odigo in New York and Israel before
the 9-11 planes had even left the ground
<http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/wpost092801.html> confirms
beyond question that Israeli-linked companies did receive advance
warning. Why would Saudi Arabia warn Israeli companies if they were
behind 9-11?

It wasn't a Saudi-owned company in charge of security at all three of
the 9-11 airports <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ICTS.html>.

If Saudi Arabia was really behind 9-11, would they have waited until
AFTER the attacks to get out of town, thereby bringing unfavorable
attention to themselves? Given that Odigo received an early warning of
the impending attack, wouldn't the Saudis have known it was about to
occur and headed for the airport before the attack happened, if Saudi
Arabia was the real culprit?

If Saudi Arabia was a partner with Al Qaeda for 9-11, why is Al Qaeda
carrying out terror attacks against the Saudi Royal family now?

Speaking of "Al Qaeda", when Palestinian police arrested an Al Qaeda
cell, they discovered they were holding a group of Mossad agents

A final point: The nation that helped the US Government stage a fake
terror event to launch wars of conquest in the Mideast would be in an
ideal position to blackmail the US Government with that very secret.
look back over the more than two years since 9-11 and find the nation
for whom the US Government just cannot seem to do enough, cannot give
enough money and weapons, cannot block enough UN Resolutions, the
for whom a long standing neutral foreign policy has been cast aside in
favor out total support for an expansionist agenda. Find the nation
whose leaders openly brag of their control of the US Government.

If Michael Moore didn't quite do all his homework with regard to who
have been behind the 9-11 attack, that does not change the fact that
people of the United States were lied to to trick them into wars. And
is THAT message of the film which is the important one. But the hard
fact remains that Michael Moore did not get ALL of the story of 9-11.
Not by a long shot. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is just the tip of the iceberg.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is not an indictment of just George Bush. Fahrenheit
9/11 is not an indictment of just Republicans. Fahrenheit 9/11 is an
indictment of the entire US Government that had to know Bush was lying
to the American people to initiate a war and stood there smiling
while he did it. Like Hitler, Bush could not do what he did without a
lot of cooperation by the entire government and the media. Look at the
voting records for the authorization for the use of force in Iraq and
the draconian assaults on our freedoms. Both parties voted those
The rush to war and dictatorship was a bipartisan one, worthy of
bipartisan blame. Everyone is spinning Fahrenheit 9/11 to attack their
own favorite scapegoats, but the truth is there is more than enough
blame for the wars and the current state of the nation to share all

(2) Windows file find utility

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:26:12 +0100 From: *** ***

All Windows versions have a file find utility. It's on the Start Menu.
Just click the Start button on the Task Bar (usually at the bottom of
the screen) and 'Find' or 'Search' is one of the items on it.

I don't remember where Netscape keeps its files. If Phil does a search
for 'netscape' that should show folders called netscape too and the
files will be somewhere in there or in some subfolder. The browser
designers are particularly creepy and try to hide the caches so you
can't find so-called 'streaming' media files and the suchlike. What
exactly is Phil looking for? Do we know? {end}

REPLY (Peter M):

I told Phil how to read browser cache files, to get around censorship.

On a Mac, Netscape's cache folder is called "cache f". Do a find on
- the name is probably the same in Windows.

What is the name of Internet Explorer's cache folder, in Windows?

In one's browser's Preferences, one sets a Cache Size in Megabytes.
is the size of the cache folder. That folder contains lots of text,
image and sound files, which have been downloaded while surfing.

It's a record of what you've been doing.

If you don't want other people to pry into that, empty your cache
at the end of each session. It's an option at one of your browser's

(3) Sibel Edmonds, FBI translator; and Senate Intelligence Committee

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:32:03 -0700 From: "True Seaborn"

Fascinating and alarming story about Sibel Edmonds, the FBI translator.
It does challenge my confidence in Ashcroft. Her accusations about FBI
bureaucratic coverup and CYA behavior bear an eerie similarity to the
story told by Rita Katz, the author of Terrorist Hunter (originally
published anonymously by HarperCollins a year or two ago). I'm
there's something rotten in the FBI, and the hell of it is, there's
probably nothing we can do about it.

Re "Senate fury over Pentagon cell that briefed White House on Iraq":

You should take a look at some of the work done by Yossef Bodansky,
author of The Man Who Declared War on America (available at Amazon),
Director of the Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional warfare for
the U.S. Congress, and contributing editor of Defense & Foreign
Strategic Policy. He has written widely for such specialized journals
Jane's Defense Weekly and Global Affairs. His articles are widely
available on the Internet. Also see the work of Jayna Davis
(www.jaynadavis.com). These two researchers provide a decidedly
different perspective of the Iraqi role in terrorism in the US. That
their work is scrupulously ignored by the Senate Intelligence Committee
and the 9/11 Commission is puzzling and disappointing.

(4) Corrupted Intelligence, by Ray McGovern

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From:


Corrupted Intelligence
Ray McGovern July 12, 2004

McGovern and other veteran intelligence officers spent the weekend
digesting the Senate Intelligence Committee report and ended up sick to
their stomachs. Not only did the report confirm what they already knew
that the CIA skewed intelligence - but corruption ran much deeper, with
analysts cooking up outright lies. In the wake of the report, McGovern
worries media across the political spectrum aren't doing their job.
are buying without question the administration spin about the Senate
report: that the White House lead the nation to war because of bad
intelligence, rather than ill-conceived policy.

Ray McGovern, a CIA analyst for 27 years, is co-founder of Veteran
Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

In our various oral and written presentations on Iraq, my veteran
intelligence officer colleagues and I took no delight in sharply
criticizing what we perceived to be the corruption of intelligence
analysis at CIA. Nothing would have pleased us more than to have been
proven wrong. It turns out we did not know the half of it.

Several of us have just spent a painful weekend digesting the report of
the Senate Intelligence Committee on prewar intelligence assessments on
Iraq. The corruption is far deeper than we suspected. The only silver
lining is that corrupter-in-chief George Tenet is now gone.

When the former CIA director departed, he left behind an agency on life
support - an institution staffed by sycophant managers and thoroughly
demoralized analysts, who are embarrassed at their own naiveté in
believing that the passage carved into the marble at the entrance to
Headquarters - "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you
free" - held real meaning for their work.

The Senate Committee report is meticulous. Its findings are a sharp
to those of us who took pride in working in an agency where we could
speak truth to power - with career protection from retribution from the
powerful, and with leaders who would face down those policymakers who
tried to exert undue influence over our analysis.

Enter "Joe Centrifuge"

Although it was clear to us that much of the intelligence on Iraq had
been cooked to the recipe of policy, not until the Senate report did we
know that the skewing included outright lies. We had heard of "Joe,"
nuclear weapons analyst in CIA's Center for Weapons Intelligence and
Arms Control, and it was abundantly clear that his agenda was to
that the infamous aluminum tubes sought by Iraq were to be used for
developing a nuclear weapon. We did not know that he and his CIA
associates deliberately falsified the data - including rotor testing
ironically called "spin tests."

The Senate committee determined that "Joe" deliberately skewed data to
fit preconceptions regarding an Iraqi nuclear threat. "Who could have
believed that about our intelligence community, that the system could
so dishonest?" wondered the normally soft-spoken David Albright, a
widely respected veteran expert on Iraq's work toward developing a
nuclear weapon.

I share his wonderment. I too am appalled - and angry. You give 27
of your professional life to an institution whose main mission - to get
at the truth - is essential for orderly policy making, and then you
it has been prostituted. You realize that your former colleagues lacked
the moral courage to rebuff efforts to enlist them as accomplices in
deception. Deception that involved hoodwinking our elected
representatives into giving their blessing to an ill-conceived,
unnecessary war. Even Republican stalwart Sen. Pat Roberts, chairman of
the Senate Intelligence Committee, has conceded that, had Congress
before the vote for war what his committee has now discovered, "I doubt
if the votes would have been there."

Catering To The Powers That Be

It turns out that only one U.S. analyst had met with the Iraqi defector
appropriately codenamed "Curveball" - the source of the scary tale
mobile biological weapons factories - and that this analyst, in an
e-mail to the deputy director of CIA's task force on weapons of mass
destruction, raised strong doubt regarding Curveball's reliability
before Colin Powell highlighted his claims at the United Nations on
5, 2003. I almost became physically ill reading the cynical response
from the deputy director of the task force:

"As I said last night, let's keep in mind the fact that this war's
to happen regardless of what Curveball said or didn't say, and the
powers that be probably aren't terribly interested in whether Curveball
knows what he's talking about."

(Reading this brought to consciousness a painful flashback to early
August 1964. We CIA analysts knew that reports of a second attack on
U.S. destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf were spurious but were prevented
reporting that. The director of current intelligence explained to us
condescendingly that President Johnson had decided to use the
non-incident as a pretext to escalate the war and that "we do not want
to wear out our welcome at the White House." So this kind of
politicization, though rare in the past, is not without precedent - and
not without similarly woeful consequences.)

With respect to Iraq, George Tenet's rhetoric about "truth" and
"honesty" in his valedictory last week has a distinctly Orwellian ring.
Worse still, apparently "Joe Centrifuge," the abovementioned deputy
director, and other co-conspirators will get off scot-free. Sen.
says he thinks, "It is very important that we quit looking in the
rearview mirror and affixing blame and, you know, pointing fingers."
Acting Director John McLaughlin has told the press that he sees no need
to dismiss anyone as a result of what he portrayed as honest, limited

Tell It To The Families

I would like to hear Roberts and McLaughlin explain all this to the
families of the almost 900 U.S. servicemen and women already killed and
the many thousand seriously wounded in Iraq.

Roberts seemed at pains to lay the blame on a "flawed system," but a
close reading of the committee report yields the unavoidable conclusion
that CIA analysis can no longer be assumed to be honest - to be aimed
getting as close to the truth as one can humanly get. For those of you
cynics about to smirk, I can only tell you - believe it or not - that
truth was in fact the currency of analysis in the CIA in which I was
proud to serve.

Aberrations like the Tonkin Gulf cave-in notwithstanding, the analysis
directorate was widely known as the unique place in Washington where
could normally go and expect a straight answer unencumbered by any
political agenda. And we were hard into some very controversial - often
critical - national security issues. It boggles my mind how any
president, and particularly one whose father headed the CIA, could
expect to be able, without that capability, to make intelligent
judgments based on unbiased fact.

It is said that truth is the first casualty of war. Sadly, in the case
of Iraq, even before the war, truth took a back seat to a felt need to
snuggle up to power - to stay in good standing with a president and his
advisers, all well known to be hell-bent on war on Iraq.

Caution: Don't Be Fooled

The Washington Times lead story on July 10 began: "Flawed intelligence
led the United States to invade Iraq was the fault of the US
intelligence community…a report by the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence concluded yesterday." From the other end of the political
spectrum, David Corn of The Nation led his own report with, "The United
States went to war on the basis of false claims."

Not so. This is precisely the spin that the Bush administration wants
give to the Senate report; i. e., that the president was misled; that
his decision for war was based on spurious intelligence about
non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

But the president's decision for war had little to do with intelligence
on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. It had everything to do with the
administration's determination to gain control of strategic, oil-rich
Iraq, implant an enduring military presence there, and - not
incidentally - eliminate any possible threat from Iraq to Israel's

These, of course, are not the reasons given to justify placing U.S.
troops in harm's way, but even the most circumspect senior officials
have had unguarded moments of candor. For example, when asked in May
2003 why North Korea was being treated differently from Iraq, Deputy
Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz responded, "Let's look at it
country (Iraq) swims on a sea of oil."

And basking in the glory of "Mission Accomplished" shortly after
had been taken, Wolfowitz admitted that the focus on weapons of mass
destruction to justify the attack on Iraq was "for bureaucratic
reasons." It was, he added, "the one reason everyone could agree on" -
meaning, of course, the one that could successfully sell the war to
Congress and the American people.

The Israel factor? In another moment of unusual candor - this one
the war - Philip Zelikow, a member of the President's Foreign
Intelligence Advisory Board from 2001 to 2003 (and now executive
director of the 9/11 commission), pointed to the danger that Iraq posed
to Israel as "the unstated threat - a threat that dare not speak its
name…because it is not a popular sell.

Last, but hardly least, it was not until several months after the Bush
White House decided to make war on Iraq that the
weapons-of-mass-destruction-laden National Intelligence Estimate was
commissioned, and then only because Congress needed to be persuaded
the threat was so immediate that war was necessary. Vice President Dick
Cheney set the main parameters in a major speech on Aug. 26, 2002, in
which he declared, "We know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to
acquire nuclear weapons." The estimate Tenet signed dutifully endorsed
that spurious judgment - with "high confidence," no less.

Is There Hope?

If hope is what was found at the bottom of Pandora's box, it can be
found here too. That there are still honest, perceptive analysts at CIA
is clear from the analysis that Anonymous sets forth in his excellent
book, Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror . (Note
to Condoleezza Rice: Anonymous' name is Michael Scheuer; he is an overt
employee; you can get his extension from the CIA operator.)

As long as analysts of that caliber hang in there, there can be hope
that, once the CIA is given the adult supervision it has lacked for the
last 25 years, it can fulfill its critical mission for our country.

(5) Ancient European remains found in Qinghai


China View

Ancient European remains found in Qinghai

http://www.chinaview.cn 2004-07-06 15:32:53

XINING, July 6 (Xinhuanet) -- Archeologists confirmed that the human
skeletons discovered this May in northwest China's Qinghai Province
belonged to three Europeans who lived in China over 1,900 years ago.

"The physical characteristics of the bones showed it is a typical
European race," said Wang Minghui, an expert with the archeological
institute under the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

The skeletons were spotted at Zhongchuan Town of the province's eastern
most Minhe Hui and Tu Autonomous County.

Since 2002, archeologists have unearthed nine tombs of Han Dynasty (206
BC-220 AD) at a construction site of a brickfield in the town, but it
was not until this May that they felt the skeletons in two tombs "very
special", said Ren Xiaoyan, deputy director if the provincial
archeological institute, who added they invited Wang, who specializes
human bone identification, to take part in the study on the findings.

Qinghai is on the southern section of the world-known land trade
corridor -- the Silk Road, linking China with Central and Western Asia
and to the eastern shores of the Mediterranean begins in the country's
northwest and runs 7,000 kilometers.

Serving as an important bridge for the economic and cultural exchanges
between the East and the West, the area, which the Silk Road covered in
China, used to see throngs of Indian, Persian, Arabic, Greek and Roman

Ren said the tomb shape, the burial articles and the way they were put
in the tomb are all typical in Eastern Han Dynasty (25-220), which
proved the three westerners had lived here for a long time and were
accustomed to local traditions and customs.

"Although so far, we have been not sure of the country the three
Europeans came from and there might be a large number of such
'westerners' living here at the ancient time," said Ren.

Such European skeletons have only been revealed in northwest China's
Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, a neighboring region which is to the
northwest of Qinghai, so the discovery this time is of great importance
for the study of the ancient society in Qinghai, said Wang. End item

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Quite apart from the government agencies monitoring what people are saying and writing, there is nothing in the private sector that is comparable to the censorship that Zionist media monitors are trying to enforce on the US media with no paper apparently spared from their fascistic mindset. One can imagine how the struggle against South African apartheid would have been covered in the US media, if we had the South African Afrikaner equivalent of the Zionists who are clearly getting away with exercising their powers here.

From American Journalism Review, June/July 2004 issue

Caught in the Crossfire

Perhaps no topic elicits so much bitter criticism as coverage of the Middle East. As hard-line supporters of Israel and the Palestinians wage a proxy war via e-mail, threatening phone calls and demonstrations, correspondents and news organizations find themselves the targets of condemnation, often highly

Related reading:
You Say Wall. I Say Fence...
By Barbara Matusow
Barbara Matusow, a former AJR senior contributing editor and Washingtonian magazine contributor, has written about the news media for more than 20 years.

The Zionist Organization of America didn't wait long before declaring war on the Philadelphia Inquirer's new editor. The leaders of the ZOA's local chapter were
polite when they called on Amanda Bennett last year, less than three months after she took over, but the message they delivered was blunt. Bennett says the
chairman, Michael Goldblatt, told her the organization was going to continue its efforts to hurt the Inquirer economically, while the president, Leonard Getz, laid
down the terms for ending the ZOA's boycott. "He said Israel was the victim, and that we should approach all stories from this perspective," Bennett says. "And if
we did this, they would call off the boycott, and our circula! tion would rise."

The delegation also presented Bennett with a scathing report on her brief tenure titled "New Era but the Same Errors: The Philadelphia Inquirer's coverage of the
Middle East in the first 60 days of the Amanda Bennett Era."

"We concluded that things have been at least as bad, if not worse, than they were under Walker Lundy, the previous editor," Steve Feldman, executive director of
the local chapter, said in an interview. "The Philadelphia Inquirer is poisoning hundreds of thousands of people every day. If the surgeon general had newspapers
under his bailiwick, they would come with the same warning, that reading the Inquirer could be dangerous to your health."

Bennett hardly shares that view. "We spend a ton of time making sure we are as fair, balanced and informative as we possibly can be," she says. "And it is my belief,
based on my contacts with the larger community, that very few people in the wider community would agree with Mr. Feldman."

Bennett came to the Inquirer from Kentucky's Lexington Herald-Leader, where she confronted a strong Christian community that cared passionately about the issues
of homosexuality and abortion. But that experience didn't quite prepare her for the intensity of the advocates on both sides of the Middle East conflict. "Since
becoming editor of the Philadelphia Inquirer, I've talked to a lot of my fellow editors around the country," she says, "and I have to say that in major cities across the
United States, my colleagues agree that is the most vexing issue that faces them in the sense of an issue that's difficult, time-consuming and important to deal with."

As Bennett and others covering the conflict have discovered, they have been plunged into a kind of proxy war for the one raging between Israel and the Palestinians.
The American version is fought with e-mails, threatening phone calls, demonstrations and pressure on advertisers, but to the people on the receiving end, the struggle
seems as toxic and never-ending as the real thing.

"Most of the e-mails are not interested in balanced coverage," says Margaret Coker, who is based in Jerusalem for Cox Newspapers. "They only want coverage
that reflects their own political views. When you get one that says, 'You shouldn't call yourself a concerned human being, you're a supporter of mass murder,' and
when it comes to using your first name and accusing you of things like that, it takes a strong person for it not to get under your skin."

"There's no place in the world that causes as much misery for a journalist," says syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer, who writes frequently about the Middle
East. "The Arabs get extremely angry if you're not on their side. The Israelis get enraged if you're not 1,000 percent on their side. You just can't please anyone."

Pro-Israeli Web sites, which are better staffed and funded, generate about 10 times as much mail as pro-Arab sites, editors say. They note, too, that the volume
waxes and wanes depending on the level of violence. (See "Days of Rage," July/August 2002.) After an event like the March assassination of Sheikh Ahmad Yassin,
the founder of Hamas, monitoring sites go into overdrive.

HonestReporting.com, a pro-Israeli pressure group, lambasted news outlets for calling the sheikh a spiritual leader rather than a terrorist, while Palestine Media
Watch (pmwatch.com) put out an "action call" headed "Don't let U.S. media whitewash Sheikh's assassination."

Even when violence tapers off, journalists covering the story can expect hostile mail, often couched in the most personal, vituperative terms. The subject is so
sensitive, in fact, that a number of those interviewed did not want to be quoted by name, including one columnist who fumed, "Look, there's no placating these
people. It's endless and there's no rationality involved. I want to write about the Middle East, and I will never stop writing about the Middle East, but there's a limit to
how much shit you're going to take. And I don't need an extra load of shit" from being quoted.

Another journalist, a political cartoonist, said the criticism directed at him is so intense it has started to affect his family. "My kids are teenagers," he says. "Their
friends had been to a lecture at a synagogue where they were told I was an anti-Semite. So they came back and told my kids, 'We still like you, but your dad's an
anti-Semite.' " A third, a reporter based in Jerusalem, speaks of dreading the nasty e-mails she finds on her computer every day. "I would rather not be quoted for
fear of encouraging more complaints, but it really eats at you. We all want to be fair. It's not that I mind hearing from people, but the accusation of unfairness is one I
take very seriously. It's definitely one of the more stressful aspects of the job."

Occasionally, the personal nature of the attacks has its comic side. The Los Angeles Times' Laura King, who is based in Jerusalem, found that out when she went to
Baghdad at the height of the Iraqi war. "I got e-mails saying, 'Oh, I see you are in Baghdad. I hope nothing bad happens to you,' " she says. "The writers were very
friendly and expressing concern for my welfare, which is pretty funny in light of the fact that they're extremely critical when I'm in Jerusalem."

Reporters and editors say that some of the complaints they receive come from thoughtful individu- als who are genuinely concerned about what they see as bias, and
that they take such criticism seriously. And sometimes, they admit, even the most intemperate critic can make a valid point or find a mistake. More often, though,
news outlets are subjected to organized campaigns based on half-truths or picayune points.

As evidence of National Public Radio's supposed pro-Palestinian sympathies, for example, CAMERA, the Committee for Accurate Middle East Reporting in
America, cited one report in which "Palestinians or other Arabs were described by NPR reporters or guest speakers as 'frustrated' 16 times, while Israelis were only
said to have such feelings four times."

Frequently, these so-called media monitors, who say they are only interested in fairness and balance, will seize on a word or a phrase and leave out the context.
Take the case of a Philadelphia Inquirer editorial that called both PLO leader Yassir Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon "pigheaded and destructive." In a
communiqué urging readers to complain to the Inquirer, HonestReporting.com omitted the reference to Arafat to make the editorial sound like a one-sided attack on

Pro-Israeli sites have no monopoly on distortion or twisted logic. In January, Palestine Media Watch, which advocates for Palestinians, blasted the Los Angeles
Times for publishing an opinion piece in which Israeli historian Benny Morris defended the decision to expel Arabs from Israel in 1948. ("Los Angeles Times dignifies
call for ethnic cleansing with op-ed space!") In the same release, it took note of an op-ed piece the previous day by a Palestinian academic arguing for a one-state
solution. "It is clear now why the Los Angeles Times dared publish that op-ed," the Web site said. "It was part of a one-two package deal, where the editors and the
Los Angeles Times clearly hoped to play the two sides of the divide against one another."

In other words, you can't win.

News organizations sometimes point to the fact that they are criticized by groups on both sides of the Middle East issue as proof of their fairness. But that hardly
satisfies the critics. "I know that some people in journalism think that if you upset both sides, you're doing your job," says the Philadelphia ZOA's Steve Feldman.
"Well, journalists are not in the business of upsetting people. They should be enlightening people."

But how do you mollify critics whose views are so far apart that about the only thing they agree on is that the news media are biased against them?

"Reporters in this country have adopted a narrative that is inherently flawed," says Ahmed Bouzid, the founder of Palestine Media Watch. "It stems from the notion
that the number one problem is terrorism, that it's Israel that's under threat, and that no progress can be made until the violence stops. We are trying to change that
mind-set to make people realize that the basic narrative is that this is an occupation and that it's the Palestinian people who are being humiliated and oppressed."

Michael Weinstein, executive director of HonestReporting.com, has a radically different critique. "Generally speaking, the dominant narrative in the American media
has been one of presenting Israel as the aggressor in the conflict and the Palestinians as victims," he says. "There's an occasional change after horrific terror attacks,
when there tends to be a lot of sympathy for the Israeli people, but that tends to fade after a week or so."

Lately, though, Weinstein says, he sees more of what he calls "cycle of violence" coverage. "In this view, you have two people locked in a vicious battle in which
neither side is justified. There's no right or wrong. Just two people killing each other and two piles of bodies. This leads to the moral equivalence problem, where a
terrorist blowing up a bus in Jerusalem and an Israeli Defense Force strike against terrorist leaders are the same thing."

In essence, the two sides are engaged in an effort to shape an overarching narrative in the American media showing that they alone are the victims and that the other
side is undeserving of sympathy. When Michael Matza, the Inquirer's Jerusalem correspondent, wrote a story headlined "Palestinians' Remains Fuel a Bitterness,"
which detailed Israel's practice of not releasing the bodies of suicide bombers, it provoked a hue and cry from readers who felt the piece was too sympathetic to
families of the bombers. It didn't matter that Matza had written numerous pieces sympathetic to Israeli victims of suicide attacks. He was denounced as anti-Semitic
and labeled a "self-hating Jew," a favorite epithet for Jewish journalists.

"If I get up in the morning, put on my pants and get in my car and instead of driving to Tel Aviv, in Israel, I decide to go to Nablus [in the West Bank] and write
about some of the stresses and strains the Palestinians are enduring, for some readers, the moment I make that decision, I've made a mistake, no matter what I
write," Matza says. "Some readers only want a certain story line. Especially when the story was very bloody, they pretty much wanted a steady diet of Israeli

Editors back home face the same kinds of pressure. "The Middle East may not always be the most important story in the paper, but it's probably the most closely
read story from day to day," says Timothy J. McNulty, the Chicago Tribune's assistant managing editor for foreign news. "There is no part of what we print that is
not sensitive, whether it is the headline, the cutline, the photo, the story, the approach of the story, who is quoted and so on."

Nothing is examined as carefully as language, with both sides fighting for terminology that casts their claim in the best possible light. Pro-Palestinian sites want media
outlets to refer to "Israeli colonizers" instead of "Israeli settlers" and to talk about "death squads" instead of "military operations." Meanwhile, Israel's defenders push
for the use of "terrorists" instead of "militants," "neighborhoods" instead of "settlements" and "focused interventions" instead of "targeted assassinations." In response,
some news organizations go to elaborate lengths to come up with the most neutral-sounding formulations. The Philadelphia Inquirer has even invited in a rabbi and a
linguistics professor to help determine what terminology to adopt.

"If I were to attend to all the criticism, I could make a full-time job of it," says Inquirer National/Foreign Editor Ned Warwick. "Frankly, at some point, I have to put
aside the critics who are howling for my attention so I can focus on what I as a journalist think the right stories are that need to be covered."

Not all news organizations are confronted with organized protests over their Middle East coverage, and those that are don't react uniformly. An informal survey of
eight major news outlets turned up a wide variety of responses, from strenuous efforts by NPR to mollify its critics to a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders at NBC.
"We get e-mails and things like that," says Bill Wheatley, vice president of NBC News, "but it's very unusual for an interest group on one side or the other to try in
any serious way to affect our work."

NPR, which is under ferocious assault from all sides of the Middle East divide and depends on a combination of private and public funds, does not have the luxury of
such nonchalance. "I can assure you that NPR spends lots and lots and lots of time to make sure we're getting the reporting right," says Jay Kernis, senior vice
president for programming. "There's an enormous amount of self-examination going on all the time."

One admittedly inexact way to see which outlets get the most grief is to look at CAMERA's Web site and count the number of times it issued "action alerts" urging
people to protest on behalf of Israel. Last year, for example, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times were each targeted 18 times, the Washington Post 17
times, Newsweek once and Time not at all. Among radio and TV networks, NPR was cited 18 times, ABC seven, CNN five, NBC and CBS twice, Fox zero.

You might conclude that the less frequently an outlet is criticized by CAMERA, the more favorable its treatment of Israel, but except in the case of Fox, you would
be wrong. (Fox, which is openly pro-Israel, calls suicide bombers "homicide bombers.") Rather, a variety of other factors come into play.

NBC and CBS are seldom criticized in part because they do so little coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict. (The three major networks have cut back sharply on the
amount of foreign news they air, except during major events like the war in Iraq, although ABC does more than its rivals.) NPR, on the other hand, provides
extensive coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict and explores Palestinian grievances in more depth than other broadcast outlets. In addition, it is more vulnerable to
outside pressure than commercial operations because of its dependence on public largesse.

NPR--like its member stations--gets complaints from the Electronic Intifada, a pro-Palestinian pressure group, but they are dwarfed by pro-Israeli criticism of the
network. "NPR is the single most intractable news organization in terms of ordinary accountability," says Andrea Levin, executive director of the Boston-based
CAMERA. "Just the ordinary terms of journalism, such as balance and equal opportunity to present opinions are lacking... Unlike other outlets, NPR seems to
consider itself above and beyond criticism."

Yet NPR goes to great lengths to make sure that its Mideast reports are accurate and balanced. When the network's diplomatic correspondent, Mike Shuster,
decided in 2002 to take a look at the historical origins of the conflict, he proceeded carefully. "Initially, after the staff generated a framework for the series, we still
weren't sure how to do it. I took it to the foreign editor, the national editor and the producers of 'Morning Edition.' It took several months. Everything is done
collaboratively around here because of the sensitivity of the topic and the fire we're under."

The result was an award-winning, seven-part series called "The Mideast: A Century of Conflict," examining in unusual depth the conflicting claims surrounding the
founding of the state of Israel. Predictably, it ignited a firestorm--one that erupted before the series even aired. On the basis of a press release, CAMERA charged
that the lineup of experts was unbalanced in favor of extreme critics of Israel, mirroring "the bias found in NPR's Middle East coverage generally."

"This series is the kind of thing NPR should be doing, giving the context, the history," says NPR's Bruce Drake, vice president for news and information. "But when I
told a colleague of mine in the news business about what we were planning to do, he said, 'Why are you asking for that kind of heartache?' That was a milestone for
me. It made me wonder what kind of world we want, what kind of media we want, if news organizations become afraid to do a series like this because the ground is
so treacherous politically."

As a result of all the scrutiny, NPR executives spend an inordinate amount of time trying to prove their coverage is fair. NPR's ombudsman, Jeffrey Dvorkin, issues
regular reports on the issue, and network President and CEO Kevin Klose puts out a lengthy content assessment on its Middle East reporting every three
months--an exercise mainly to help the managers of member station fend off attacks from pressure groups.

"I think our reporting is eminently fair," Klose says. "I think both the reporters in the field and the editors here are extremely conscious of the intensity with which
people listen, and I think we have set a very high standard for accuracy and balance in reporting on events in the Middle East. Even with the best of intentions, of
course, mistakes can happen, and when they do, we re-report and we make a correction."

The Philadelphia Inquirer has a different set of problems. One is the location of Palestine Media Watch. It was founded three years ago by Ahmed Bouzid, an
Algerian computer programmer who lives in the Philadelphia area and is the site's main contributor. The fact that he hammers the Inquirer much harder than any other
American outlet is no doubt due to the fact that it's the first paper he reads each morning.

At the same time, Philadelphia is home to a large, active conservative Jewish community, including people like former Pennsylvania Insurance Commissioner Herbert
Denenberg and Mort Klein, the fiery head of the national Zionist Organization of America--individuals who have practically made a career out of blasting the Inquirer
for its supposed anti-Israel stance. Their views are picked up and amplified by Philadelphia's weekly Jewish Exponent, which has also been heavily critical of the
Inquirer. "They are the big dog in town," says Jonathan Tobin, the Exponent's executive editor. "For us, what the Inquirer does on Jewish issues is going to be news.
Where they do a really lousy job, we're going to comment on it."

Often, the attacks directed at the Inquirer are aimed at specific individuals, such as the paper's Pulitzer-Prize-winning cartoonist, Tony Auth, who has been the target
of criticism for his Mideast coverage for at least 20 years. Last summer, while Palestine Media Watch was castigating Auth for drawing more cartoons critical of
Yassir Arafat than of Ariel Sharon, Jewish letter- writers and e-mailers were branding him an anti-Semite and a crypto-Nazi. Things reached a fever pitch after he
drew a cartoon about the separation barrier being built by the Israelis showing Palestinians enclosed by a chain-link fence shaped like the Star of David. Critics
charged it bore a resemblance to a 1930s Nazi recruiting poster.

A week later, a delegation representing a half-dozen local Jewish groups came to the Inquirer to express their outrage at a meeting attended by Auth, Amanda
Bennett, then-Publisher Robert Hall and others. "At the meeting, I realized that there was not going to be any communication with the most outlandish of these critics.
They want propaganda, and nothing but propaganda," says Auth. "It's been an amazing experience. I hate to be called an anti-Semite, and for this charge to be
thrown around so glibly is frustrating."

While most major American news outlets continue to try to do a straight-down-the-middle job, the intense pressure has left its mark. Last year, CNN staffers were
instructed not to "televise or report on statements made by suicide bombers or their families except in extraordinary situations." The directive came amid an outcry
over a story on CNN International that included an interview with the mother of a suicide bomber but left out an interview with the parents of the Israeli baby killed
in the attack.

One newspaper reporter acknowledged in an interview that she has balanced the number of quotes in her dispatches to ward off criticism. Several editors admitted
to keeping a rough "victimization" count so they can't be faulted for being more sympathetic to one side than the other.

But the effort to achieve balance sometimes leads to bleached, uninformative reportage. To understand the peculiar tensions in Gaza, for example, and why Israel is
contemplating a pullout, it's necessary to know that this tiny strip of land is home to 1.2 million Palestinians, while 7,500 Israeli settlers occupy 25 percent of the land
and control most of the water resources. Yet the full picture is seldom sketched. (I found one mention of it, in an article by James Bennet of the New York Times,
during the two-week spate of coverage over Sharon's initial statement that most of the settlements in Gaza would probably be dismantled.)

Sometimes alert readers can see for themselves the results of the ongoing battles over terminology. When Time magazine uses the phrase "targeted eliminations," with
the words in quotes, referring to the Israeli practice of picking off Palestinian militants from helicopter gunships, you can tell editors are trying to avoid using the word
"assassination," which angers Israeli partisans.

The same effort to avoid giving offense seemed at work in a story in the Washington Post in February about the encirclement of Jerusalem ("Israel hems in a Sacred
City"). The lead photograph showed 30-foot slabs going up; the caption referred to a "fence," the term preferred by Israelis.

Ironically Israeli newspapers are far more outspoken in their criticisms of government policy than U.S. papers. It was Yediot Ahronot, a right-leaning newspaper,
that first published an interview with the four former top intelligence chiefs who charged that Sharon's get-tough treatment of the Palestinians was backfiring.
Meanwhile Ha'aretz, the leading leftist paper, blasts the government's Palestinian policies on a daily basis.

"When it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian question, we are much more open and pushing for a compromise in which Israel will have to give up something than the
American press," says Zev Schiff, Ha'aretz's longtime military correspondent. "We are extremely opposed to the settlements, for example."

Yet it would be a mistake to conclude that the typical American journalist is biased in favor of Israel. Strongly pro-Israel voices, like those of William Safire of the
New York Times and Charles Krauthammer of the Washington Post, are prominent on the opinion pages of this country's newspapers, and magazines such as The
Weekly Standard and The New Republic embrace similar positions. But the journalists in the trenches--the ones who actually cover the story--agonize over every
word, every comma, trying to be fair, knowing they are going to be blasted whatever they write.

"This is just a hugely inflammatory story," says the Washington Post's John Ward Anderson. "And people get very, very angry. So you have to have faith in your own
ability to play it straight, to be fair and impartial. You want to be sensitive to criticism. On the other hand, you don't want to let the critics alter the way you do your
reporting. So many times what these letter-writers want is not fairness. They want the paper to take sides, and I just flatly refuse to be pulled into that."

One problem reporters and editors face is the long-running, repetitive nature of the conflict. There is a sense among the journalists I talked to that they have already
explained the roots of the problem, that the public has tired of the situation, figuring, as one editor said, "If they want to keep on killing each other, let 'em."

"No one wants to keep running the same story again and again," says the Chicago Tribune's McNulty. "The Arab-Israeli story is still a key element and factor in
American foreign policy, and it is not something we slight in terms of the number of stories, but we are always looking for fresher stories than 'The Israelis shoot three
in Gaza' or 'West Bank settler is killed.' "

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman also sees fatigue with the story setting in. "I don't think the American press is biased," he says. "I've had both sides
come up to me and say, 'The press never reports what the Palestinians do to us,' or, 'You never report what the Israeli bulldozers have done to us,' and I tell them,
'It's all been there. I can point to it in the paper. What you're really mad about is that nobody cared. I'm sorry about that, but it's out of my control that the public
doesn't care, that they're tired and fed up with the whole story.' That's what neither side gets. They think that after each news broadcast, people are going to vote,
and if it goes against them, they're finished. Well, people do have a little box next to the TV, and it's a clicker, and they turn it off."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Israeli workers were warned of 9/11 Reply to topic

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:30:33 EDT
Subject: Haaretz Daily repeats this today : Israeli workers were warned of 9/11

Ha'aretz Daily repeats this today July 15, 2004 : Israeli workers were
of 9/11

RePortersNoteBook Memo:

What is going on here?
Today Ha'aretz reprints it for the third time the same exact article.
Israeli daily reports the story with the SAME wording. There has been
added or subtracted. This article is over a year old. The Ha'aretz
Daily in
Israel is considered the equivalent of the New York Times in America.

Yet no mention of this in the major media in the United States!
Haaretz Daily
July 15, 2004
Odigo says workers were warned of attack

By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers
messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11
predicting the
attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli
American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the
sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the
and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's
which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which
brought in the

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who
don't know
the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out
accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was
useful in
any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a
company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending
messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ,
the other
well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users,
Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide
the law
enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of
message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and
the actual
sender of the original message.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:59 am    Post subject: Jared Israel makes no mention of the 5 dancing Israelis... Reply to topic

Peter Myers wrote:

Jared Israel makes no mention of the 5 dancing Israelis - or Mossad -
or Neocons (item #4)

Sid Walker, if you're reading this, please ring me, & let me have your
new phone#.

(1) & (2) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - in defence of
(3) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - Jews didn't do 9/11
(4) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - seeing through Jared
(5) Boeing claims national security on WTC2 Plane [Announce]
(6) US Christian Right's grip on Middle East policy, by Stephen Zunes -
"blames the British"
(7) Dennis Ross, former U.S. envoy for 'peace process' now works for
Agency and Israel
(8) Israeli interrogators in Iraq - An exclusive report [Jane's]
(9) ADL honors Israeli police for US cooperation
(10) Jon Rappoport - some of the 9/11 strategists were Mossad or

(1) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - in defence of Kaminski

Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:08:00 +0000 From: "Tim OSullivan"

Peter, I did not agree with what you wrote in a recent mail regarding
Kaminski not blaming the Zionists for .. (well you know). John has more
given an adequate answer already.

There is a new website called http://www.flamesong.co.uk which has a
small but
well written section on 911.

Also Indymedia Portland Oragan have a very good section on 911. It is
the best
indymedia site in the USA on 911 (generally Indymedia USA and elsewhere
a conventional view of 911, but Portland is a wonderful exception). It
may be
the only Indymedia site in the US with a special 911 section/heading,
actually. There is an article from Nov 2003 by Jon Phelan that might be
particularly interesting. It is conspiracy theory stuff from a radical
perspective. Worth a look.

(2) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - in defence of Kaminski

Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:40:44 -0500 From: bgarner <bgarner@kans.com>


In your reply to John Kaminski you make this comment...

"We are forced to either side with its depiction of "British"
conspiracy and
"Jewish" innocence, or to distance ourselves from those who put this
such as Jared Israel at Emperor's Clothes, and David Ray Griffi"

I don't see why it has to be "either or",. I'm always suspicious when I
am ask
to choose between the lessor of two evils. This is a ploy of
opposition". Go to my factions research page and notice that I have the
Anglo-American Empire and Zionism in the same column. I understand
Makow is
saying essentially the same thing.

Bobby, http://www.congregator.net/

(3) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - Jews didn't do 9/11

Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:07:22 +0000 From:

The Bushes have two games going to take the blame off the US military
themselves who planned, directed, and are trying to cover up the mass
of thousands of Americans in cold blood on 9/11: the Blame Arabs game
and the
Blame Jews game. Notice that people that play the Blame Jews game are
the ones
covering up the photographic evidence that shows the Jews didn't do
9/11. The
websites, www.whatreallyhappened.com and www.rense.com, are only two
Some people who claim they are writers are obviously being paid by the
to hush up the photographic evidence and blame the Jews. Find out who
these people. You don't run expensive websites and live in expensive
without an income.

Two Jewish sites, www.cloakanddagger.ca and www.prisonplanet.com, have
the photographic evidence of 911 repeatedly almost exclusively. Sherman
Skolnick has been out if front with the details of 9/11 and he is

The British website, www.the-movement.com, is way ahead of American
on outing the photographic evidence of 9/11. A diamond in the rough of
websites. Frank Levi is webmaster and he may be Jewish. Who cares?
man. American 911 websites will never reply to corrections on their
photographic evidence. Most don't even provide an email address. Talk
major media hiding the photographic evidence that showed Bush did 9/11
websites are the same way. Are they being paid by the Bushes? False
like www.whatreallyhappened.com?

How many times do we have to hear the story of Israelis celebrating
across the River? This has been shown to be bogus. Ditto for the US
story which was a mistake. Never do these sites or writers? explain the
Israeli side of the story on the Middle East. In fact, I don't know
what it is!

I am capable of placing blame where I see it. Nothing in the
evidence of 911 shows Jews did it. The Neocons are patsies. They think
are behind the Iraq War but the Bushes are using them. It was OPERATION
NORTHWOODS 2001. Regards, Jon Carlson

(4) "Blaming the British" for 911 & the War - seeing through Jared

REPLY to Tim and Bobby and Jon (Peter M, July 9, 2004):

Tim & Bobby & Jon,

Where is the evidence that the story of 5 Israelis celebrating 9/11 is
Ditto for the US Liberty story?
What about Odigo, the Israeli instant messaging company, two of whose
received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September
predicting the attack would happen?

I criticise everyone who uses Jared Israel's material without a caveat
on what
he leaves out.

Jared Israel provides useful material, but with an editorial spin that
out Israeli/Jewish/Mossad involvement. He's been doing this
since the first week after 9/11, when I saw him arguing thus on a forum
Russia (at Pravda, I think).

Jared Israel's main page on 911 is

Emperor's Clothes Articles on 9-11

Do a find on "Israel" - the only occurrences are in the name "Jared
Israel" as
author of the articles.

Do a find on "Mossad" - no occurrences.

Do a find on "Israeli" - no occurrences.

Do a find on "Neo-Con" - no occurrences.

Do a find on "Odigo" - no occurrences.

Do a find on "Jew", "Jews" and "Jewish", and only the following comes
"An interview with Cedomir Prlincevic, the Jewish leader expelled from
Pristina (Kosovo) by the KLA and NATO. In this, the first of two
with Mr Prlincevic, it is clear that he wishes to avoid saying anything
about NATO. So it's all the more revealing when he finally blurts out
the truth."

Do a find on "anti-semit" and the following comes up:
"Geo-strategic racism involves the promulgation of potentially powerful
hatreds, such as Serbophobia in the Balkans and other parts of Europe,
anti-Semitism worldwide. (In the past, Emperor's Clothes has
the significance of anti-Semitism as a tool for our current Empire
and has written little about how it is being promulgated. However, that
be corrected in forthcoming articles. ..."

Note: no mention of the 5 dancing Israelis. Why? Couldn't fit it into
"Blame the British" scenario, perhaps? Mossad connection inconvenient,

Now go to Jared Israel's main page. http://emperors-clothes.com/

Thence to his Iraq-Iran page http://emperors-clothes.com/iraq-iran.htm

Do a find on "Neo-Con" - no occurrences. No mention of the Jewish
pushing for the War in Iraq.

Do a find on "Jew", "Jewish". The only occurrences are:
"In 1954, the U.S. Ambassador foments anti-Jewish racism in Iraq ... *
asks: Why does it matter that back in 1954 the US sponsored anti-Jewish
propaganda in Iraq?"

Do a find on "Israeli" - no occurrences.

Now go to his main page; go to the page on Israel - at

Emperor's Clothes Articles on Israel

Table of Contents
(1) History of the Arab-Israeli conflict
(2) The campaign to delegitimize Israel
(3) Antisemitism: "The Protocols of Zion" and other manifestations
(4) Legitimizing the PLO through the strategy of suicide terror
(5) How those presenting themselves as the Left deal with Israel,
and the Jewish people
(6) Debates on Israel and antisemitism. (includes interesting debates
between scholars).
(7) How antisemitism is used to further the aims of the Arab, European
and US Establishments

Item 2 above is titled "The campaign to delegitimize and destroy

Where else have you encountered such talk? From Barry Chamish; from
Bates. They condemn the Peace Process as the destruction of Israel.

Jared Israel is a Zionist.

Yet all those brainy Yanks haven't seen through him.

Wake up, guys. See what he's up to.

Those who want to write Israeli/Jewish/Mossad involvement back in, can
longer just quote Jared Israel without explicitly stating their
from his position.

Many of those who ARE writing Jewish/Israeli/Mossad involvement back
in, are
Jewish: Israel Shamir, Jeffrey Blankfort, Mark Bruzonski (of MER).
seen Jewish power and Jewish methods close-up. And they've had the
courage to
say so.

In my study on the Protocols
(http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/tollkit3.html), I include a link to
Emperors' Clothes. I asked Jared Israel to supply a link to my site
too, but
he has not (see http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/protocols-1.htm or

(5) Boeing claims national security on WTC2 Plane [Announce]

Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Editor
911review.org" <editor@911review.org>

It is clear that the flight that struck the second of the TwinTowers on
was not United Airlines Flight 175, because views from underneath the
reveal a 20 m. long, 1/2 m. diameter, cylinder that opens just before
The pod appears in all photographs that clearly show that aspect of the
and can be seen in the frame-by-frame analysis of all videos of the
where there is sufficient contrast and resolution. See:


The Barcelona daily La Vanguardia, which has run a series of articles
based on
a technical report on this pod, asked Boeing about these features, who
claimed they were unable to respond for reasons of national security!

(6) US Christian Right's grip on Middle East policy, by Stephen Zunes -
"blames the British"

This article makes the "British" the actors, and Jews and Christians
dupes. It omits the long-term Jewish manipulation of Protestant
to orient it to Israel - PGM

Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:01:31 -0400 From: "David Chiang"

US Christian Right's grip on Middle East policy By Stephen Zunes

In recent years, a politicized and right-wing Protestant fundamentalist
movement has emerged as a major factor in US support for the policies
of the
rightist Likud government in Israel. To understand this influence, it
important to recognize that the rise of the religious right as a
force in the United States is a relatively recent phenomenon that
emerged as
part of a calculated strategy by leading right-wingers in the
Republican Party
who - while not fundamentalist Christians themselves - recognized the
need to
enlist the support of this key segment of the US population in order to
achieve political power. ...

As a result of renewed fundamentalist interest in Israel and in
recognition of
the movement's political influence, American Jews are less reluctant to
up with the Christian Right. Fundamentalist leader Gary Bauer, for
now receives frequent invitations to address mainstream Jewish
which would have been hesitant toward the movement prior to the Bush
presidency. This is partly a phenomenon of demographics: Jews
constitute only
3% of the US population, and barely half of them support the current
Israeli government.

The Israelis also recognize the Christian Right's political clout.
Since 2001,
Bauer has met with several Israeli cabinet members and with Prime
Ariel Sharon. Former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu noted, "We have
greater friends and allies" than right-wing American Christians. ...

(7) Dennis Ross, former U.S. envoy for 'peace process' now works for
Agency and Israel

Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:54:06 -0400 From: "MER - Mid-East Realities -
MiddleEast.Org" <MERL@middleeast.org>

Dennis Ross, former U.S. envoy for 'peace process' now works for Jewish
and Israel.

Mid-East Realities - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - 7 July 2004:

Remember now, this is the very same 'Ambassador' Dennis Ross whom the
'even-handed' Americans insisted be the top 'peace process negotiator'
for a
decade or so between Israel and the Palestinians. Remember as well that
much flaunted and constantly lied about 'peace process' Ross directed
in recent years -- as MER had predicted all along by the way -- into
the worst
mayhem and bloodshed ever. It also has brought worse than apartheid
to the Palestinian people and a great escalation in hatred and what the
Americans love to simply call 'terrorism' regardless of causes,
places, and realities.

And now, after immediately moving from the U.S. government payroll to
that of
Washington's powerful Israeli-jewish lobby -- with which he was
associated by the way -- Ross has gone to work directly for the Jewish
and the Israelis urging still more Jews worldwide to 'return to the
land' and settle in 'the Jewish state'.

The Jewish Agency, by the way, has existed since before the
establishment of
the Israeli state with the main goal of bringing Jews from whereever
might be to settle in what the whole world then called "Palestine"; and
whether by design or result to displace the Arab Palestinian people who
living there.

Historical responsibility needs to be pointed in the right direction
especially in view of what has happened throughout the Middle East
considerably as a result of U.S. and Israeli policies.

There is no doubt, regardless of how much public officials deny it,
that these
policies have considerably fueled the still growing hatreds which have
spread throughout much of the world for the U.S., Israel, and yes, sad
to say,
for "the Jews".

The tremendous propaganda machine that so hyped Ross and his nearly all
Jewish-Zionist "negotiating team" has grown even bolder and more
arrogant and deceitful in recent years. It has as well tragically
for the time being at least in a near-total takeover of 'acceptible'
commentary and discourse in official Washington.

The American media will not, so others beyond American shores should
investigating much more deeply, reporting much more honestly, and
much more courageously all the lies and duplicities that are in fact
crucial backdrop to understanding today's historical conflagrations.
unless a major change in course comes about soon a catastrophic descent
over a
historical Niagara Falls may well lie ahead.

New institute plans Jewish future

JESSICA STEINBERG Jewish Telegraphic Agency


JERUSALEM - Dennis Ross, who served as Middle East envoy for the
administration, is now handling an entirely different role with a think
created by the Jewish Agency for Israel.

Ross was front and center when the Policy Planning Institute for the
People opened its doors May 14 in Jerusalem.

The institute "will examine the challenges, threats, needs and
confronting Jews worldwide, the Jewish Agency said.

It also will "deal with formulating policy for the Jewish people by
professional studies" and fostering "long-term strategic thinking."

According to Ross, the newly appointed chairman of the institute's
board of
directors and director of the Washington Institute for Near East
Policy, "We
need to be thinking about the problems emerging down the road."

A group that includes Ross, Jewish Agency Chairman Sallai Meridor and
University political science professor Yehezkel Dror has been planning
institute for more than a year.

The group of 15 to 20 people - half from Israel, the rest from around
world - first gathered several times to talk about major issues facing
Jewish people, including Israel's changing demographics and issues of
Jewish identity.

The institute was first discussed before the Palestinian intifada began
September 2000.

At the time, Jewish communal leaders were concerned with Israel's lack
long-term tools to plan strategically for the future.

"We're a nation that excels in responding minute to minute," Meridor
"But we need to also think and plan for the future."

What emerged from the deliberations was a collective decision to create
institute, which will be funded with $1 million annually from the
Agency, with additional funds expected from Jewish philanthropists.

The think tank is being structured as a public, not-for-profit company.

Issues expected to be researched first include Israel's demography, as
Arab sector grows faster than the Jewish sector; the cohesion of the
people; collective action and its financing; information technology in
affairs; and the Jewish nation's global standing.

Ross said he decided to work for the institute because it was the least
could do "as a member of the Jewish people."

"I wouldn't do it if I didn't think it was important," he said. "I
think it
will prove itself.'' - Jewish News of Greater Phoenix - May 17,
2002/Sivan 6,
5762, Vol. 54, No.35

(8) Israeli interrogators in Iraq - An exclusive report [Jane's]

Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:08:00 +0100 From: "Rowan Berkeley"


At least one aspect of the occupation of Iraq was well planned by
The USA needed help conducting mass interrogations of Arabic-speaking
detainees. Foreign Report can now reveal that, to make up for this
the USA employed Israeli security service (Shin Bet) experts to help
their US
counterparts 'break' their captives.

The USA could have approached other friendly regimes in the Middle
East, such
as Egypt or Jordan, which have vast experience interrogating Muslim
fundamentalists. The Israelis may be brilliant linguists, but they
match Arabs speaking their own language. But there is a significant
between the Egyptian and Jordanian interrogation techniques and those
of the
Israelis. For the Egyptian and Jordanian secret services, physical
torture is
an essential part of interrogation and a key element in breaking the
prisoner's will and making them co-operative.

In the past, Shin Bet would use torture when it interrogated prisoners.
But 20
years ago, an Israeli government committee investigated the security
practices and the use of torture was subsequently banned, forcing Shin
Bet to
adopt a variety of techniques that did not cause physical damage. These
methods are much more palatable to US sensibilities. They also brought
and more convincing results.

Foreign Report has learnt that top Shin Bet interrogation experts were
sent to
Iraq to help with the most difficult interrogations, such as the
heads of the Iraqi intelligence - and perhaps with former president
Hussein. US sources say that in spite of the incidences of abuse in Abu
prison, such events are not representative of the sophisticated methods
Shin Bet used in Iraq.

Most of the Shin Bet interrogators are of Ashkenazim (European) origin
study the Arabic language only when they are in their twenties after
the security service. Before each interrogation a psychologist who has
in depth the mental profile of the prisoner is consulted. The
will also read intelligence reports about their charge. ...

(9) ADL honors Israeli police for US cooperation

Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:42:40 -0700 From: Jeff Blankfort


ADL honors police for US cooperation

Yaakov Katz Jul. 6, 2004

The Anti-Defamation League on Tuesday awarded the Israel Police with a
gift of
appreciation for its role in fighting terror and for sharing its
expertise in
the field of terrorism with American law enforcement agencies.

The ADL has been instrumental in bringing Israeli police officers to
the US
for training sessions to share with their American counterparts their
experience in fighting terror.

The Israeli officers have lectured extensively on such topics as bomb
disposal, hostage negotiations and the use of civil guard in the war on

"Jewish history is full of examples of where the law enforcement
everyone except from the Jewish people. And for us in the US to develop
relationship with an institution which understands and is sensitive to
discrimination and bigotry is a very special new experience in Jewish
history," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director, said in a speech
in the
presence of the top police brass.

(10) Jon Rappoport - some of the 9/11 strategists were Mossad or

Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:28:38 -0700 From: "Eileen Pressler"


JON RAPPOPORT http://www.nomorefakenews.com

JULY 8, 2004. Since 9/11, a great deal of information and speculation
been launched on the Internet about possible Israeli connections to the
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Several of my own sources have told me that, on an operational level, a
few of
the 9/11 strategists were Mossad or ex-Mossad people.

Of course, this is a very hot-button issue.

There are those who would view every musing on this subject as a direct
anti-Semitic assault on all Jews everywhere.

I can only speak for myself: you don't need to be a genius to
and separate the Israeli government from some part of that government,
Mossad from some part of the Mossad, all Zionists from certain

And you don't need to have an IQ in the 200 range to know that any of
entities is not The People of Israel. Is not "Jews everywhere."

Given these basic kindergarten points, one can go on to look at the
itself: did some faction in Israel produce, or help produce, or try to
up fore/after-knowledge of, 9/11?

Below, I have re-printed an overview (November 2, 2003) written by Neil
in the online Sunday Herald, a newspaper based in Scotland.

I don't claim his account is the most complete analysis of the
situation. But
he asks some of the right questions, and he provides some information.

One point not raised by Mackay: we still do not have evidence presented
to the
public that shows there really were 19 Arab hijackers on those 9/11
planes. We
certainly have no evidence that the hijackers named by the FBI (some of
suicide hijackers appear to be alive now) could have gained the
skills to execute the 9/11 aerial maneuvers after, at best, a cursory
education in piloting small craft at US private flight schools.
Therefore, if
Israeli intelligence operatives were tracking Arabs learning how to fly
planes in Florida before 9/11, were these Israeli operatives really
useful information about 9/11 prior to 9/11??

Or, perhaps, was this an Israeli intell op that ultimately functioned
as a
diversion from the truth?

It is a standard practice, in an intell op that is funded well, to
behind false trails.

If this was the case here, who was being protected by the intell debris
that false trail?

Were these Israeli intell operatives protecting some of their own who
participated in the strategic planning for 9/11?

Another related issue: to what degree, prior to 9/11, did the US
community knowingly rely on Israeli agents living in the US to provide
data---perhaps for years---on potential Middle East terror cells
located in
the US? Here I would be talking about standard practice, as in, "Hey,
Israelis are the best at this. They speak the necessary languages. They
the deepest files on these guys. Let's allow them to spy freely inside
the US
and report, on a regular basis, back to us (CIA, FBI). In fact, we
can't do
this kind of work well. We stink at it. So let's leave it to the
Mossad. Based
on their reports, we can claim we ourselves found out all sorts of
stuff. We
can take credit. We can look good."

You can imagine what disasters that policy could lead to.

I believe this is one of the many issues left untouched, like a hot
potato, by
the 9/11 commission.

For example, suppose most or all of the data fed into the US intell
ABOUT WHO CRASHED THE PLANES ON 9/11 came from Israeli intell sources?
that's how the names of the hijackers were unearthed so quickly?

In that case, the US intelligence community laid itself open to a
conduit that
could forward all sorts of lies and cover stories and diversions down

In that case, the US intelligence community would have a very good
(among other reasons) for obscuring any type of investigation into
intell people located in the US.

Is this one of the reasons the fired FBI translator, Sibel Edmonds, is
under a
gag order? Does she know, among other things, how the US intelligence
apparatus uses data passed along by Israeli intelligence?

Are there other US intell employees waiting in the wings who could
provide an
encyclopedia on this subject?

In months and years past, I wrote much on these pages about the
evolution of
what I call the GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE CARTEL. This is an organically
group composed of intell people from many nations, corporations, and
organizations that have been gaining the awareness that they have an
SEPARATE from governments. The intelligence cartel comes to view its
in its own terms---and this cartel, in turn, at a higher level, can be
more secretive groups that are seeking the ultimate collapse of nations
the de facto subsuming of nations under a globalist structure---the
rule of
the many by the few.

9/11 was a watershed moment in that march toward this ultimate goal.

The present official cover story about 9/11 and who directed 9/11 IS an

Here is the Mackay article:

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin
Towers on
September 11, 2001 ...

Were they part of a massive spy ring which shadowed the 9/11 hijackers
knew that al-Qaeda planned a devastating terrorist attack on the USA?
Mackay investigates

Sunday Herald, Scotland - 02 November 2003


THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in
Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned
crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever
on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even?
surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of
were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of
MI6 or
the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable
fact. To
those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day,
case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had
shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East
Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to
suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive?
To bind
America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime
Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes
would mean
for US-Israeli relations. He said: "It's very good." Then he corrected
himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate
[for Israel from Americans]."

If Israel's closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian
deaths at
the hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond
with the
world's only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing with the
Palestinian terrorists who had been murdering its innocent civilians as
second intifada dragged on throughout 2001.

It's not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the
Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity. She's
that she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment
had called her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria
grabbed a
pair of binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the
of the day unfold.

As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling
on the
roof of a white van in her parking lot. Here's her recollection: "They
to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn't
shocked to me. I thought it was strange."

Maria jotted down the van's registration and called the police. The FBI
alerted and soon there was a statewide all points bulletin put out for
apprehension of the van and its occupants. The cops traced the number,
establishing that it belonged to a company called Urban Moving.

Police Chief John Schmidig said: "We got an alert to be on the lookout
for a
white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the
Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the
impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."

By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New
Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in
20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads

In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair
of box
cutters – the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19
who'd flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just
before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the
smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image
showed a
hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a
fan at a
pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers:
"We are
Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The
Palestinians are the problem."

His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other four passengers were Kurzberg's
Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were dragged
off to
prison and transferred out of the custody of the FBI's Criminal
Division and
into the hands of their Foreign Counterintelligence Section – the
anti-espionage squad.

A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in
Weehawken in
New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. The FBI
questioned the
firm's Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but when agents returned to
re-interview him a few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban
said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day
happened. "I was in tears," the man said. "These guys were joking and
bothered me. These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go

Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counter-terrorism
with the
CIA, says the red flag went up among investigators when it was
discovered that
some of the Israelis' names were found in a search of the national
intelligence database. Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence
believed that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad and there
speculation over whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for
purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical

This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within
American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11
– simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were
going to
happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.

After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if
they'd been
closed down in a big hurry. Mobile phones were littered about, the
phones were still connected and the property of at least a dozen
clients were
stacked up in the warehouse. The owner had cleared out his family home
in New
Jersey and returned to Israel.

Two weeks after their arrest, the Israelis were still in detention,
held on
immigration charges. Then a judge ruled that they should be deported.
But the
CIA scuppered the deal and the five remained in custody for another two
months. Some went into solitary confinement, all underwent two
polygraph tests
and at least one underwent up to seven lie detector sessions before
they were
eventually deported at the end of November 2001. Paul Kurzberg refused
to take
a lie detector test for 10 weeks, but then failed it. His lawyer said
he was
reluctant to take the test as he had once worked for Israeli
intelligence in
another country.

Nevertheless, their lawyer, Ram Horvitz, dismissed the allegations as
and ridiculous". Yet US government sources still maintained that the
were collecting information on the fundraising activities of groups
like Hamas
and Islamic Jihad. Mark Regev, of the Israeli embassy in Washington,
have none of that and he said the allegations were "simply false". The
themselves claimed they'd read about the World Trade Centre attacks on
internet, couldn't see it from their office and went to the parking lot
for a
better view. Their lawyers and the embassy say their ghoulish and
celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died were due to

The respected New York Jewish newspaper, The Forward, reported in March
however, that it had received a briefing on the case of the five
Israelis from
a US official who was regularly updated by law enforcement agencies.
This is
what he told The Forward: "The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems
was a
front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it." He added that "the
conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs", but
the men
were released because they "did not know anything about 9/11".

Back in Israel, several of the men discussed what happened on an
Israeli talk
show. One of them made this remarkable comment: "The fact of the matter
is we
are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose
was to
document the event." But how can you document an event unless you know
it is
going to happen?

We are now deep in conspiracy theory territory. But there is more than
little circumstantial evidence to show that Mossad – whose motto is "By
way of
deception, thou shalt do war" – was spying on Arab extremists in the
USA and
may have known that September 11 was in the offing, yet decided to
vital information from their American counterparts which could have
the terror attacks.

Following September 11, 2001, more than 60 Israelis were taken into
under the Patriot Act and immigration laws. One highly placed
told Carl Cameron of Fox News that there were "tie-ins" between the
and September 11; the hint was clearly that they'd gathered
intelligence on
the planned attacks but kept it to themselves.

The Fox News source refused to give details, saying: "Evidence linking
Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that
has been
gathered. It's classified information." Fox News is not noted for its
condemnation of Israel; it's a ruggedly patriotic news channel owned by
Murdoch and was President Bush's main cheerleader in the war on terror
and the
invasion of Iraq.

Another group of around 140 Israelis were detained prior to September
2001, in the USA as part of a widespread investigation into a suspected
espionage ring run by Israel inside the USA. Government documents refer
to the
spy ring as an "organised intelligence-gathering operation" designed to
"penetrate government facilities". Most of those arrested had served in
Israeli armed forces – but military service is compulsory in Israel.
Nevertheless, a number had an intelligence background.

The first glimmerings of an Israeli spying exercise in the USA came to
in spring 2001, when the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies
them to be wary of visitors calling themselves "Israeli art students"
attempting to bypass security at federal buildings in order to sell
A Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report suggested the Israeli
"may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity". Law
documents say that the Israelis "targeted and penetrated military
bases" as
well as the DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, including
offices and the unlisted private homes of law enforcement and

A number of Israelis questioned by the authorities said they were
from Bezalel Academy of Art and Design, but Pnina Calpen, a spokeswoman
the Israeli school, did not recognise the names of any Israelis
mentioned as
studying there in the past 10 years. A federal report into the
so-called art
students said many had served in intelligence and electronic signal
units during their military service.

According to a 61-page report, drafted after an investigation by the
DEA and
the US immigration service, the Israelis were organised into cells of
four to
six people. The significance of what the Israelis were doing didn't
until after September 11, 2001, when a report by a French intelligence
noted "according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells
in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida, from
2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells".

The report contended that Mossad agents were spying on Mohammed Atta
Marwan al-Shehi, two of leaders of the 9/11 hijack teams. The pair had
in Hollywood, Florida, along with three other hijackers, after leaving
– where another Mossad team was operating close by.

Hollywood in Florida is a town of just 25,000 souls. The French
report says the leader of the Mossad cell in Florida rented apartments
near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi". More than a third of the
"art students" claimed residence in Florida. Two other Israelis
connected to
the art ring showed up in Fort Lauderdale. At one time, eight of the
lived just north of the town.

Put together, the facts do appear to indicate that Israel knew that
9/11, or
at least a large-scale terror attack, was about to take place on
soil, but did nothing to warn the USA. But that's not quite true. In
2001, the Israelis handed over a list of terrorist suspects – on it
were the
names of four of the September 11 hijackers. Significantly, however,
warning said the terrorists were planning an attack "outside the United

The Israeli embassy in Washington has dismissed claims about the spying
as "simply untrue". The same denials have been issued repeatedly by the
Israelis seen high-fiving each other as the World Trade Centre burned
in front
of them.

Their lawyer, Ram Horwitz, insisted his clients were not intelligence
officers. Irit Stoffer, the Israeli foreign minister, said the
were "completely untrue". She said the men were arrested because of
violations", adding: "The FBI investigated those cases because of

Jim Margolin, an FBI spokesman in New York, implied that the public
never know the truth, saying: "If we found evidence of unauthorised
intelligence operations that would be classified material." Yet, Israel
long been known, according to US administration sources, for
"conducting the
most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any US ally".
years ago, Jonathan Pollard, a civilian working for the American Navy,
jailed for life for passing secrets to Israel. At first, Israel claimed
Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but the government later took
responsibility for his work.

It has always been a long-accepted agreement among allies – such as
and America or America and Israel – that neither country will jail a
spy" nor shame the allied country for espionage. Chip Berlet, a senior
at Boston's Political Research Associates and an expert in
intelligence, says:
"It's a backdoor agreement between allies that says that if one of your
gets caught and didn't do too much harm, he goes home. It goes on all
time. The official reason is always visa violation."

What we are left with, then, is fact sullied by innuendo. Certainly, it
Israel was spying within the borders of the United States and it is
certain that the targets were Islamic extremists probably linked to
11. But did Israel know in advance that the Twin Towers would be hit
and the
world plunged into a war without end; a war which would give Israel the
to strike its enemies almost without limit? That's a conspiracy theory
far, perhaps. But the unpleasant feeling that, in this age of spin and
secrets, we do not know the full and unadulterated truth won't go away.
we can guess, but it's for the history books to discover and decide.

End of Mackay article.



Now consider: if 911 was a "British" operation, the CIA had to be in on
it. In
that case, these Mossad operators were spying on CIA agents who were
the attack.

How sensible is that?

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Posted By: ChristopherBollyn
Date: Friday, 28 May 2004, 3:01 p.m.



“These guys aren't terrorists; they belong to the Israeli military.”

- Nissan Giat, an Israeli flight instructor based in Miami, commenting on fellow Israeli soldiers arrested after fleeing from the local sheriff near critical nuclear fuel processing plants in Erwin, Tennessee.

By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press

The “war on terror” has a glaring blind spot that puts the security of the United States at grave risk. While innocent Iraqis are tortured in their homeland, suspicious criminal activity by Israeli military agents near sensitive nuclear sites in the United States is neither investigated – nor reported.

The most damning criticism of the “war on terror” is that it actually creates more terror. Some critics would argue that the increase in terror and instability is intentional – part of a larger geopolitical plan to control the region and its valuable mineral resources.

In the logic of Anglo-American and Zionist policy makers, the chaos, terrorism and insecurity in the Middle East, which is primarily caused by foreign military occupation, provides a pretext for the presence of occupation forces for the foreseeable future, something global planners have long desired.

The U.S.-led occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq resemble the Israeli occupation of Palestine. As Israel’s brutal aggression against Palestinians inevitably produces terror attacks in Israel, the U.S. occupation creates fertile ground for the growth of “anti-American” and “anti-democratic” terrorism. This, in turn, provides an excuse for the continued presence of thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq – and throughout the region.

The recent publication of photographs of Iraqi detainees being abused and tortured by U.S. military personnel only fuels hatred for the occupation across the Middle East. This is well understood and appreciated by the “neo-conservative” Zionist policy makers in Washington, London, New York, and Tel Aviv.

Today, life in Iraq is actually more dangerous and less secure than it was under the reign of Saddam Hussein. Scarcely a day goes by in Iraq in which lives of innocent Iraqis and U.S. service personnel are not destroyed by terror bombs.

Meanwhile, on the domestic front, the “war on terror” has changed the face of America. Glaring double standards and blind spots, however, leave the nation vulnerable and raise serious questions about the true goals of the “war on terror.”

For example, while wealthy, law abiding European visitors are subjected to extreme and embarrassing scrutiny, the border with Mexico remains as unchecked and porous as ever. Thousands of impoverished and uneducated immigrants cross the southern border illegally every month.

On the other hand, the U.S. administration recently applied punitive sanctions against Syria because it said Damascus was not doing enough to prevent illegal border crossings into Iraq. It would seem the U.S. government is more concerned about protecting the borders of Iraq than those of the United States.

Another gaping hole in the domestic “war on terror” was revealed by the bizarre indifference of federal law enforcement to recent criminal activity by Israeli military personnel in the proximity of a number of critical U.S. nuclear facilities. While federal law enforcement authorities warn of a major terrorist attack in the United States, Israeli criminal activity in extremely sensitive areas is allowed to pass unchecked – and uninvestigated.

Israeli military personnel run rampant across the United States violating the law with impunity. Since 9/11 there have been dozens of criminal Israeli teams posing as “movers” (and “art students”) apprehended by local authorities only to be turned over to federal immigration officials and quickly released or deported. These Israeli military teams, often arrested in the vicinity of sensitive military or nuclear sites, represent a glaring blind spot in the “war on terror.”

Two recent incidents in the southeastern United States reveal how Israeli military personnel are allowed to violate U.S. laws and operate within the country in ways which would never be tolerated of citizens from any other nation.

The first incident occurred in the proximity of several nuclear facilities in Erwin, Tennessee, including the Nuclear Fuel Services plant. Nuclear Fuel Services is a company that provides fuel for nuclear submarines and processes spent nuclear materials. This is precisely the kind of radioactive material that is used in a so-called “dirty bomb,” which senior law enforcement officials are warning that terrorists intend to use in the United States.

But who are these terrorists? Are Israeli intelligence agents planning another terrorist attack in the United States?

A recent Israeli incident occurred on Saturday afternoon, May 8, when Unicoi County (Tenn.) Sheriff Kent Harris spotted a rental truck speeding on former U.S. Highway 23, a lightly traveled highway near the North Carolina state line.

Two young Israeli men in the rented moving truck evaded Harris in a high speed chase for three miles. During the chase the Israelis threw a bottle containing a mysterious fluid from the truck, an act they later denied. The vial contained an unknown substance, which appeared to be some kind of accelerant because it became warm when it was shaken, according to Harris. The purpose of the mysterious fluid has not yet been explained.

“They were driving recklessly and at a high rate of speed down an old highway that nobody uses anymore,” Harris told independent journalist Dan Hopsicker. “I was really concerned because the driver would not stop after I flashed my headlights for nearly three miles. He was weaving back and forth, and I was wondering what a large truck was doing on a two-lane highway instead of the much-faster I-26 interstate.”

“They ignored my blue lights for two and one half miles and they were traveling 20 miles an hour over posted speed limits,” the sheriff said. Asked if it was possible that the Israelis were unaware they were being pursued, the sheriff said: “Oh no, he had to see me. The siren was going…. I could see him in the mirror looking back at me.”

Two young Israelis, Shmuel Dahan and Almaliach Naor were taken into custody. In the wallet of 23-year old Dahan, an Israeli soldier based in Miami Beach, police discovered a “Learn to Fly in Florida” business card. Israeli men serve in the military until age 55.

“I got a sick feeling when I saw it,” Harris told the Associated Press, expressing concern about the proximity of the nearby Nuclear Fuel Services plant. “It’s the nation's sole provider of fuel for the Navy's nuclear subs,” he said.

“They were just three miles from where, if you get off at exit 15, off I-26, you’re just a half-mile from all the nuclear plants,” he said. “There’s Nuclear Fuel Services, which is a privately-owned company. Studdwick, another privately-owned company. And they’re building a third one now.”

The Israelis’ truck tested positive for drugs, Hopsicker reported. “While the FBI dismissed the finding as a ‘false positive,’” Hopsicker wrote, “local law enforcement regards the test as highly accurate.” Harris contacted the FBI, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and other local authorities to investigate the situation.

The sheriff's investigation, halted by the involvement of the FBI, revealed that the Israelis had just visited a remote storage facility owned by an unlisted “Salvatore Annone” of New Jersey, who Hopsicker reported, recently bought the Mars Hill, North Carolina storage company.

“The truck,” according to the AP, “was rented from a Ryder office in Mars Hills, N.C., and was being held in the county garage pending an FBI investigation, officials said.”

The case is full of “anomalies,” Hopsicker wrote. Shmuel Dahan, for example, listed his address in swanky Miami Beach, and has more than $12,000 in his personal bank account. “That sort of caught my attention,” said the sheriff.

“We're not overreacting,” Harris said. “We have a responsibility to protect the citizens of Unicoi County and that's what I'm going to do at any cost. I'd rather overreact, if that's what you call it, than be sorry later.”

The “Learn to Fly in Florida” business card belongs to another Israeli named Nissan Giat. Giat is an “Israeli military veteran,” according to Hopsicker, and a free-lance flight instructor in the Miami area, working out of the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. Asked about Dahan and Naor, Giat told Hopsicker: “These guys aren't terrorists; they belong to the Israeli military.”

The two Israeli soldiers, however, were carrying false identification cards. Dahan had a false Florida driver’s license and Naor had a fake identification card.

Dahan was charged with reckless driving, littering, false identification and evading arrest. Naor was charged with false identification and evading arrest.

The truck, rented from Ryder, was reportedly held for an FBI investigation, according to officials. Police said the Israelis were being investigated by the FBI.

Asked by American Free Press about the FBI’s role in the investigation, Special Agent Gary Kidder of the Knoxville field office said: “Your premise is all wrong. An FBI investigation was never opened. The case was never turned over to the FBI.”

The only charges brought against the two Israelis, Kidder said, were immigration charges. The two were then quickly released from government custody after a judge in Erwin, (Tenn.) suspended a 30-day sentence and turned them over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a bureau within the Department of Homeland Security.

Immigration officials had said Dahan and Naor would be subject to immediate deportation, yet despite convictions for evading arrest and working illegally on tourist visas, the Israelis were soon released and back at Summit Moving Van Lines in Miami, according to Hopsicker.

The spokesmen at the Washington office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement were unable to answer any questions by press time about the status of these two Israelis.

A second team of Israeli military agents posing as “movers” tried to enter the U.S. Naval Submarine Base at Kings Bay, Georgia on May 21. When an inspection of their rented moving truck revealed evidence of explosives, the base, home to 8 Trident submarines, was shut down for more than three hours, according to base spokesman Ed Buczek.

When the two Israeli soldiers posing as movers tried to access the base without proper identification an inspection team was called out to check their rental truck. Dogs trained to detect explosives and drugs “hit on something in the cab of the truck,” Buczek told AFP. The evidence of “potential explosives” led to an immediate lockdown of the base and the St. Mary’s police department closed off the area around the base and called in a bomb squad.

“Guards closed access to the base and notified the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service,” Buczek said.

Buczek said the two were driving a Budget rental truck and were working for an Atlanta-based moving company called Advantage. Advantage Moving and Storage in Norcross, Georgia was blocking calls from unknown callers on May 26. Like hundreds of other “moving companies” in the United States, Advantage is probably Israeli-owned and operated.

It was a “textbook scenario” reaction to an obvious security threat to the base and national security, Buczek said. “We saw something wasn’t right.” When the Israeli intruders were turned over to federal officials, however, their criminal activity was handled with what can only be described as indifference.

The fact that Israeli military agents operate moving companies across the United States is a security problem, which apparently does not concern the Department of Homeland Security. Israel’s military intelligence agency, Mossad, has a network of transportation and logistics companies that spans the United States.

Across the river from the site of the World Trade Center stands a massive 15-story windowless building, the Jersey City headquarters of Moishe’s Moving and Storage. American Free Press interviewed several of the young Israeli men who work at Moishe’s and learned that they are often recruited in Israel and work in the United States illegally. The “war on terror” has apparently not affected Moishe’s illegal practices, or any of the other Israeli-owned moving companies across America.

Israeli-owned “moving companies” have been involved in numerous cases of criminal activity across the country. One notable case was a company based in Weehawken, New Jersey, which was found to be an Israeli intelligence operation with prior knowledge of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Four of its agents were detained in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 after being caught filming and apparently celebrating the terror attacks on the World Trade Center. After being held and refusing to cooperate with government investigators the four were turned over to immigration authorities and deported to Israel. One of the four later told Israeli radio that the “movers” with video cameras had been prepared to “document” the attacks.

Like some 60 other Israelis apprehended in the aftermath of 9/11, the two young Israeli movers who tried to access Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, Tamir D. Sason, 24, and Daniel Levy, 23, were simply turned over to federal immigration officers. Although the truck had tested positive for explosives and a thorough criminal investigation should have been conducted, the two were simply turned over to immigration authorities because one of them was carrying an expired passport. The two were reportedly being held for deportation.

Marc Raimondi, spokesman at the Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) in Washington told AFP that both Sason and Levy “will be deported,” although he did not know their current location or status. Raimondi said ICE had taken custody of the two individuals and simply checked their names against immigration and criminal data bases. Because nothing was found in the data bases, Raimondi said, their only crime was that they had worked illegally on visitor visas. There was no further investigation of their activities.

“Perhaps the conspiracy theory has merit,” Raimondi said when asked why Israeli agents involved in criminal activities were simply being deported on visa violations. When asked if DHS was concerned about the network of Israeli-owned moving companies in the United States, some with proven ties to Israeli intelligence, Raimondi was unable to answer.

He said he was unable to carry on the conversation and that the agency welcomes any information that could be helpful in the “war on terror.”


Are these men involved in the next terror attack in America?Shmuel Dahan and Almaliach Naor don't seem very worried. Within a few hours they were released and allowed to return to their illegal activities in Florida.

“These guys aren't terrorists; they belong to the Israeli military.”

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